From: Dave Kendall Subject: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 03:25:35 -1000 Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, The University of Nottingham Message-ID: I have just bought a flexi buggy (V.V. NICE!) But . . guess who's wheel fell off yesterday? I am now left with a front bolt but no nut to connect the front wheel to fork. I tried the local motor shop to get some spare nuts and they couldnt find one big enough (it semms to be over 7/16s ?). Could anyone please email me PRONTO with the correct size of this nut/bolt combo so that I can get back in the field (withdrawal is a painful process). Fnarrr Dave Dr.D.Kendall QMC, Nottingham England, UK. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Al Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 07:51:14 -1000 Organization: Computer Base Message-ID: <31ADE011.2843@tol.net> Hey I used to have one of those buggies!! Guess what the same happened to me. Also watch out for the tightness of the rear wheels, they love to come loose and bent your axle bolt!! My new buggy has a seperate bolt that locks the rear axle into the rear Tube. The front Axle has the nut welded to the frame. Oh and how is your back after the pounding it takes from the flexi buggy!! Mine nearly crippled me. Ride on Al. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Dave Kendall Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:57:00 -1000 Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, The University of Nottingham Message-ID: I have now found the correct sized nut for the front fork bolt of the flexi buggy. I had to buy 6 of them in a pack! So they set me back a coupla quid, but at least the buggy is rolling again. For all those interested the size conforms to metric 12 (12mm) and HOMEBASE sell a pack of 6 of them with washers. So there. Thanks to all those responding to my original posting. P.S. Anyone know any decent large expanses of grassland near Nottingham (I.e. disused airfields) as I am short of decent space to do battle with the wind. Dave Dr.D.Kendall QMC, Nottingham England, UK. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Detlef Beyer Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Organization: Medienkonzepte & Realisation GmbH Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 02:11:21 -1000 >P.S. Anyone know any decent large expanses of grassland near Nottingham >(I.e. disused airfields) as I am short of decent space to do battle with >the wind. Hi Dave, take a look at "http://www.hermes.de/KITE/Survey.html" - there you can find some buggy places in the UK. If you know a new one - please add it to the database! Good winds, Detlef Detlef Beyer * Volksgartenstr. 34 * 50677 Cologne * Germany phone: 49.221.93 18 700 * fax: 49.221.32 42 45 ( ask for PGP-Key if needed ) e-mail: d.beyer@hermes.de URLs: http://www.hermes.de/priv/detpriv/detbey.html http://www.hermes.de/KITE/ ### ...Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Tennyson "Ulysses" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Bateman Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:03:45 -1000 Organization: San Diego State University Message-ID: <31B239F1.219E@mail.sdsu.edu> Dave Kendall wrote: > P.S. Anyone know any decent large expanses of grassland near Nottingham > (I.e. disused airfields) as I am short of decent space to do battle with > the wind. Try to play with the wind, not do battle with it :^) Steve Bateman bateman@mail.sdsu.edu Flying along. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Al Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:24:09 -1000 Organization: Computer Base Message-ID: <31B276F8.7D6B@tol.net> <31ADE011.2843@tol.net> Sorry paul but I am talking about your beloved buggy. At the end of the day if it works for you and you are happy with it then that is all that matters Ride on Al = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Paul Chandler Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:08:29 -1000 Organization: Buggy Bum Message-ID: <31ADE011.2843@tol.net> Al writes >Hey I used to have one of those buggies!! Guess what the same happened >to me. Also watch out for the tightness of the rear wheels, they love >to come loose and bent your axle bolt!! > >My new buggy has a seperate bolt that locks the rear axle into the rear >Tube. The front Axle has the nut welded to the frame. > >Oh and how is your back after the pounding it takes from the flexi >buggy!! Mine nearly crippled me. Are you talking about my much-loved machine that is now two years old and has given trusty, speedy and maintenance free service all this time?? Yeah, I know, all the PL riders will jump down my throat but heck, I *LIKE* my flexi buggy. I does what I want and when I want it, that's all I ask. [climbs down off soap box] Paul ---------------------------------- | PAUL CHANDLER - York Kite Flyers | | Paul@FreeWind.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Andrew Beattie Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:16:25 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <9606042316.aa21406@tug.com> > Yeah, I know, all the PL riders will jump down my throat but heck, I > *LIKE* my flexi buggy. I does what I want and when I want it, that's > all I ask. Absolutely not. The flexi buggy was an eye opener when it came out. Everyone and his uncle had been copying the original Lynn, and changing bits of it. When examining the other buggies, I found a consistant pattern. For any given copy, the list of things that were *different* about the copy was precisely the same list of things that were wrong with it. (I leave out of this rule the buggies such as the Phaeton and the Zeph which are not trying to be like the Lynn at all) Along comes Peter and Joost to design a new, different buggy, and the rule breaks. The slightly forward sitting position of the Flexi over the Lynn of that time gave it better handling. More of the side-pressure went to the front-wheel, allowing the buggy to take more side force before the rear broke free. Peter and Philip McConnochie are at a level where they can accurately evaluate equipment. If they race and find that one of them is consistantly winning, they swap kites. They can take two (supposedly) identical production kites and identify which one is better for racing, because when they swap kites, it's the *kite* that keeps winning. Through testing with matched kites, they identified that the Flexi buggy was 4 0.000000aster round the course. Peter was sufficiently impressed that he went back and modified the Lynn buggy. First he changed the seat-tubes and seat webbing to move the pilot forward, then he came out with the racing buggy with it's back support. Some people like the flexi buggy and some don't. I note that the denominator seems to be the number of lines. It seems to me that 2-line fliers adopt a different position and are differently supported by the kite than 4-liners. As far as I can see, it is comfortable and effective for 2-line, who tend to lean and sit more forward and less comfortable for 4-line fliers, who seem to sit and lean further back. Likewise with the slingback. It seems that this too has a 2-line/4-line divide. It seems to be more important for supporting the 4-line position where as I with 2-lines find it an inconvenience and only want it for when we're sitting in the evening round a fire, telling stories of how fast we'll be going tomorrow... Andrew To stop milk from turning sour, keep it in the cow. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: coreykite@aol.com (Coreykite) Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:05:19 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4p2buv$97f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Now, now, boys... They are both PL buggys. Peter designed the Flexi buggy. That's why they are so good to those who love them. What about us Land Lizard riders? PL riders understand. Can't we all just get along? aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Paul Chandler Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:49:24 -1000 Organization: Buggy Bum Message-ID: Coreykite writes >Now, now, boys... >They are both PL buggys. >Peter designed the Flexi buggy. >That's why they are so good to those who love them. >What about us Land Lizard riders? >PL riders understand. >Can't we all just get along? Most definately Corey. No slurr or anything intended to any other buggys. Each to his own and stick with what works for you. No point in being a sheep and going with the flock just for the sake of it. Baaahhh.. ---------------------------------- | PAUL CHANDLER - York Kite Flyers | | Paul@FreeWind.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Paul Chandler Subject: Re: Flexifoil Buggy Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:47:00 -1000 Organization: Buggy Bum Message-ID: Andrew Beattie writes >Peter was sufficiently impressed that he went back and modified the Lynn >buggy. Put I thought Peter designed the Flexi buggy to start with? >Some people like the flexi buggy and some don't. I note that the >denominator seems to be the number of lines. It seems to me that >2-line fliers adopt a different position and are differently supported >by the kite than 4-liners. As far as I can see, it is comfortable and >effective for 2-line, who tend to lean and sit more forward and less >comfortable for 4-line fliers, who seem to sit and lean further back. I must be the exception that proves the rule then. I mostly fly with 4- lines on the buggy, apart from when the wind really drops and then out comes the 10m Peel. Paul ---------------------------------- | PAUL CHANDLER - York Kite Flyers | | Paul@FreeWind.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =