Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:07:00 -1000 From: TI0TAH1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU Message-Id: Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Flexifoil-jumping Was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on the "sensible" way to do jumping with a stack of flexifoils. ie. what kind of maneuvers work best and are most reliable, that sort of thing. I'm not interested in anyone telling me I'm crazy..I already know this. Thanks, Tom = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:48:56 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping In article TI0TAH1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU writes: >Was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on the "sensible" >way to do jumping with a stack of flexifoils. ie. what kind of >maneuvers work best and are most reliable, that sort of thing. >I'm not interested in anyone telling me I'm crazy..I already know this. I wouldn't describe you as particularly crazy - it's fun, exciting and (as methods of getting airborne go...) cheap. Naive would be more appropriate. Not an insult, just due to a lack of knowledge and experience in the matter. I was in your shoes once... Let me try to put some of that right by increasing your knowledge: Safety record. This is very poor. Too many people going to hospital too quickly. Buggying (and associated activities) is *much* safer but involves traveling faster for much longer. It also requires more skill. and has the advantage that you can do it all day - it's not a quick burst followed by a walk back upwind Straining. To jump far, you need to strain against something. The harder you strain: 1) The harder you hit the "something" if you slip 2) The more likely you are to hurt yourself before jumping 3) The harder you hit the ground Angle. To jump further, you need a low angle. This sets you up for a worse landing. Believe me, I've been there... Legality. I *think* that you are breaking air-traffic law by using an unapproved aircraft. (not that you care... :-) ) A Tip: Don't use wrist straps of any kind for power kites: 1) Your wrist isn't built to handle compression. It *is* more comfortable but it buggers your wrist. 2) They take a minimum of half a second of concious effort to let go of. This is *far* to long. For comparison (based on experience but not stastistical research), Buggying is probably safer than serious cycling or horse riding. Jumping is probably more dangerous (and less fun) than skydiving. Whatever you do, don't try anchoring your kite to the ground - Whilst it sounds safer, the kite will just fly faster, develop more power until something breaks, typically including the flier. Try buggying - you'll find jumping dull when you get into buggying... Andrew -- Kite jumping is for morons. If you want to fly, get a hang-glider. Netiquette-of-the-day: Think twice before posting! You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:54:00 -1000 From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Patrick Prosser) Message-Id: <2vgqco$9n1@kelvin-02.cs.strath.ac.uk> Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping In article TI0TAH1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU writes: .>Was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on the "sensible" .>way to do jumping with a stack of flexifoils. (a) Do it close to the casualty ward of your local hospital (b) Do it in zero wind (c) Do it indoors (actually IN the casualty ward would be best) (d) Do it when you have a terminal illness (e) Do it with a stack of 6" (six inch) flexifoils (f) Use 20lb cotton line = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 04:23:04 -1000 From: ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013) Message-Id: <2vh348$8to@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping In article , TI0TAH1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU writes: >Was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on the "sensible" >way to do jumping with a stack of flexifoils. ie. what kind of >maneuvers work best and are most reliable, that sort of thing. >I'm not interested in anyone telling me I'm crazy..I already know this. >Thanks, > Tom Don't do it, you'll just want to do it more, and eventually you'll bonk! It's just like riding a motorcycle, if you ride, you know your going to fall down sooner or later, but you ecept the risk because it is worth it. With jumping when you finally crash hard (you will), it will be to late. Learn to Buggy! It is the REAL THING anyway! peace, good luck! dean jordan aoxomoxoa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 04:32:41 -1000 From: bhieber@AdminBldg.Lan1.UManitoba.CA Message-Id: Organization: University of Manitoba Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping Uh, what exactly is kite 'jumping' anyway? How dangerous could it be just to lay your kite on the ground and jump over it? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 23:10:50 -1000 From: rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard) Message-Id: Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping >How dangerous could it be just to lay your kite on the ground and jump over it? I recommend jumping *on* the kite in case it won't fly! That's real kitejumping...;-)...;-)... Rolf V. Oestergaard rolf@login.dknet.dk = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 04:34:08 -1000 From: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com (Mr. Kiteman) Message-Id: <1994Jul11.093408.958@pro-entropy.cts.com> Organization: Pro-Entropy +1-305-265-9073 [14.4K/8/N/1] (DAR Systems Int'l -- Miami, FL) Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping bhieber@AdminBldg.Lan1.UManitoba.CA writes: >Uh, what exactly is kite 'jumping' anyway? > >How dangerous could it be just to lay your kite on the ground and jump over it? > Well, those hard-core kite fighters like to put razor blades on their kites.... Your Friendly Neighborhood Kiteman ============================================================================= Internet Address: kiteman@pro-entropy.cts.com That's MISTER Kiteman To You, DUMMY! a.k.a. Allan "Kiteman" Gaines in Miami, Florida- an actual NATIVE Floridian! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 20:34:12 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Flexifoil-jumping TI0TAH1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU writes: >Was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on the "sensible" >way to do jumping with a stack of flexifoils. OK, here goes, this is what you do: You need 2 people and large flexioils, preferably 10' or 12'. Person 1 flies the kite or stack through a long, low ground pass. Person 2 stands downwind, between the flier and the kite and jumps through the lines as they pass. An amusing distraction. Kevlar lines not reccommended. If that seems too easy, try doing it solo: Fly a smaller (at least bridled closer than a flexi) kite, fly it through a dog-stake and jump both lines as they pass. It'll be somewhat of a challange to maintain control of such a low pass as you jump... Andrew -- Kite jumping is for morons. If you want to fly, get a hang-glider. Netiquette-of-the-day: Think twice before posting! You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =