Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:57:59 -1000 From: robert.pudlo@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com (Robert Pudlo) Message-Id: <9410260757.AA03475@dagobert> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Ever heard of "Scooter"-buggy? Hi, you buggy-crazy-rec.kiters out there, I'm about to buy a buggy after deciding that building one would be nearly the same prize and certainly minor quality. A friend of mine showed me a new buggy two days ago and I was really impressed. If my brain doesn't fool me, it is called "Scooter", is build out of aluminium, has a very comfortable seat and really looks great as well as it seems to be of very high quality. If I'm not totally wrong, it is manufactured in Rosenheim, Germany, and after some turns (man-driven instead of kite-driven) in a parking-lot I am no longer of the opinion, that the only buggy I would ever buy will be Peter Lynn's. So are there any comments about this Buggy? Anyone out there who has some experiences with it? Are there kite-clubs which offer insurance for buggy- related-damage in Germany? Thanx for any hints and comments. Robert. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Robert _/ No problem is so big that it can't be solved by a good miracle! _/ _/ _/ (robert.pudlo@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.com) ^ _/ _/ _/ oracle? _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 23:03:55 -1000 From: andrewh@phoenix.harvard.edu (Andrew Hawken) Message-Id: <38nqdr$onr@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: Ever heard of "Scooter"-buggy? Robert Pudlo (robert.pudlo@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com) wrote: : Hi, you buggy-crazy-rec.kiters out there, : I'm about to buy a buggy after deciding that building one would be : nearly the same prize and certainly minor quality. A friend of mine Looks like all of us Sput builders are after buggies. There seems to be a dirth of reviews. How about some comments from those of you that have ones (probably other than the Lynn. We know they are good!) Rapid help needed before we spend money :-) Andy -- ____________________________Andrew Hawken______________________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, it is certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" R Dawkins. Home : 0895 420110 QMW : 071 975 5542 AIIT : 0494 677045 Email : A.Hawken@QMW.AC.UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 11:31:07 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Ever heard of "Scooter"-buggy? robert.pudlo@dbag.ulm.daimlerbenz.com (Robert Pudlo) writes: >it is called "Scooter", is build out of aluminium, >So are there any comments about this Buggy? I think that I saw this buggy at Bristol. It was made of chunky aluminum, and had a moulded plastic seat. My impressions were: Chunkiness. This buggy uses large diameter aluminium tube (also square sections from memory). From an aesthetic point of view, it appeals to me. The brushed aluminium finish looks nice and the whole thing has an air of quality engineering about it. It feels exceptionaly stiff and rigid. I've never been partifularly aware of buggies flexing as I ride them, when riding this buggy, the flex was noteable by it's absence. You do however pay a penalty for this - it's not half as heavy as it looks, but it is still significantly heavier than the benchmark Lynn and the weight matters matters. I don't know how the aluminium would look after a season of use in sand and salt spray. Anyone else with experience of using aluminium in a salty environment care to venture an opinion? Seat. The seat is built of moulded plastic. It was a little on the high side and wasn't quite the shape of my bum, but this is very much a personal thing and your mileage may vary. It does provide back support without getting in the way and a reasonable amount of side support. The plastic seat is mostly a matter of taste - it's fairly fixed (although I seem to recall some type of strap affair to provide limited adjustment), so either it suits you or it doesn't. One thing that did irritate me was that the hollow plastic seat was noisy. It would act as a soundbox, making the buggy rumble as you careered across the grass. Foot pegs. The aluminium frame and plastic seat are interesting, innovative and different. It is nice to see new ideas coming forward. On the other hand the foot pegs are just plain wrong. Rather than provide stops on the ends of the pegs to stop your feet from sliding off, they provide a wide velcro foot-strap. They may think that it would come undone in an emergency, but I don't believe it - velcro is immensely strong against a shearing force. I recall the time in Berkeley when my buggy hit a concrete block so hard that it mangled the down-tube as if it were made of pasta, but I sailed clean over the block to land gently on the other side. If I had been attatched to the buggy by velcro footstraps, I'd have been removed from the scene by ambulance. I didn't do up the foot straps, and consequently found it difficult to keep my feet on the stopperless pegs. The pegs were also rather low for my taste, but then I like them higher that *anyone* else. Geometry. Other than the high seat/low peg seating position, the geometry of the buggy was sound. It felt natural to ride, steer and to slide. Wheels. I simply can't remember. I guess that this means that they had the omnipresent red plastic wheels with fat tyres. Overall. Very nicely presented. Very solid. You'll love the seat or hate it. A bit on the heavy side. Geometry clearly ripped off Peter Lynn's design and no acknowledgement of this (unlike Steve Shapson and Flexifoil who appear to have had little difficulty in coming to an amicable arrangement). Fix the foot pegs! I speak only for myself. Andrew -- You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ For sale: 10' Flexis with std & UF Spars, 10m Peel (I want the new reefers) What should I know? I can't even axel yet :-( = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =