From: pebly@vnet.ibm.com (Bob Pebly) Subject: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:50:36 -1000 Organization: IBM Message-ID: <4nsamc$rpg@bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com> At a recent festival in Miami Beach, I saw Sue Taft using what looked like a dog stake with about a 3/4" strip over the threads so that it would hold in the sand. Does anybody know a source for a stake like this or any other type of stake that would hold in soft sand? I tried flying with a regular dog stake in the sand. Good thing nobody was in the line of fire when it broke free! Bob = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Stephen VanHerpen Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:26:43 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <31A23513.3632@azedlink1.ade.state.az.us> Some hardware stores carry a longer stake (usually made out of a harder and heavier steel, for tying down those aluminum outdoor sheds. Its the same general shape as a dog stake, just about twice the length. I've used them to stake out tents on the beach, and not had any problems. Another solution is to tie a steel ring to a piece of line, and put the end of the line through the middle of a 8 to 12 inch diameter circular plate (I've used 3/4 inch plywood for this). Bury the plate in the sand about 18 inches down, leave the steel ring at ground level. Hope that helps! -- Stephen & Terri VanHerpen ------------------------------------------------- We Believe in Marriage! Worldwide Marriage Encounter svanher@azedlink1.ade.state.az.us ------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:26:00 -1000 Message-ID: pebly@vnet.ibm.com (Bob Pebly) writes: >I tried flying with a regular dog stake in the sand. Good thing nobody >was in the line of fire when it broke free! The best thing in sand is a strong bag, filled with the stuff. Cheap and easy. Nice failure mode too - doesn't fly off, just drags a but (unless the bag brakes) Andrew -- How to look like an idiot on rec.kites: 6) Post a followup that quotes the entire previous article = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Marty Sasaki Subject: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 06:22:49 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <199605231622.MAA06203@pobox.harvard.edu> You might try a sand anchor. These things have flutes that actually cause the anchor to dig itself into the sand with increased pressure. They do need horizontal force to cause the digging in, which is what you are doing with dog stake flying anyway. -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@harvard.edu Network Services Division 90 Melrose Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Arlington, MA 02174 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-646-1925 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:07:02 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4o0va6$3s3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Try sanding the dog stake smooth, use heavier line than you normally would, try coating the top of the dog stake with some type of polymar or sleeve. Alice Hayden 8^) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: griebeno@athena.mit.edu (Kai Griebenow) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 03:57:57 -1000 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <4o4f95$i6j@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I recommend NOT to use any dog sticks to anchor kites in sand. In addition to what was posted so far (and in absolute agreement with Andrew's posting) I write this because of safety concerns. Nearly any stick (and that not only in sand....) can get ripped out of the ground. When a big pulling kite is attached not only can you loose the kite, but also harm people downwind with a "wild dancing stick" at the end of the line. Even on grass-fields I use minimum two, often three or four dog-sticks as anchors if nothing else is available. This back-up system has proven to be a good precaution. It also helps distributing the force of the line on the ground. Thus forces that would rip the stick out are transformed into forces parallel to the ground. Well, on sand there is only one solution: sand-bag. Sand-bag will eventually slide in gusts. If this happens, dig a deep hole and dump the bag in that whole. I made some bags using 1.5 oz. ripstop. Now I am happy on beaches. Happy Kiting Kai = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: mark@murder.compulink.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:52:09 -1000 Organization: damage Message-ID: <4ovc9o$3fg@zinc.compulink.co.uk> griebeno@athena.mit.edu (Kai Griebenow) wrote: > > >Hi, > >I recommend NOT to use any dog sticks to anchor kites in sand. In addition >to what was posted so far (and in absolute agreement with Andrew's posting) >I write this because of safety concerns. Nearly any stick (and that not only >in sand....) can get ripped out of the ground. There seem to be two different questions in this thread : 1. How best to anchor a ( single line ) kite in sand and 2. How to do 'dog-stake' or 'reverse' flying in sand. I fully agree with the 'sand bag' approach to anchoring single line kites. But I dont think this works for 'reverse' flying - I can see no way to *fix* the attachment point of a bag so that it would allow the multi-line flyer to retain control of their kite. Maybe this isn't necessary, I haven't done enough sand-based reverse flying to really know. But a combination of the two approaches might work. Put a dog stake in the sand. Put your flying lines through it as normal. BUT, also attach the dog stake to a bag upwind of it ( and hence out of the way of your lines ). If the dogstake lets go ( and starts heading towards you... ), it will be stopped by the line attached to the bag. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in the wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: goodwinds@aol.com (Goodwinds) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 04:37:52 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4p1ho0$ck@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Sand bags are not that much safer than stakes. I saw a huge bag of sand (I mean huge) fly into the air at Japan kite festival. The saddest part was that it's target was a little 3 year old boy who was just passing by. Fortunately he was not hurt only dazed. There is nothing safer than manning your own kites. Its your responsiblity to keep kiteflying safe. You can't trust Mother Nature, she just likes to let go sometimes and put on a good blow. I know how she feels I do the same thing once in a while. Kathy Goodwind rec.kites = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Andrew Beattie Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:16:58 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <9606042316.aa21528@tug.com> > Sand bags are not that much safer than stakes. I saw a huge bag of sand > (I mean huge) fly into the air at Japan kite festival. The saddest part > was that it's target was a little 3 year old boy who was just passing by. > Fortunately he was not hurt only dazed. *sigh* I'm glad that he was OK. When you're playing around with massive tension, nothing is safe... However, I disagree with your conclusion. Sandbags *are* much safer than stakes. Stakes have low mass and are made from non-deforming materials. Anyone immediately downwind of a failing stake in in danger of losing life or limb as they fly at high velocity through the air. A lifted sandbag is going to be moving more slowly and has no sharp point... Andrew This is signature number 100 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM (Bernhard Malle) Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:45:41 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <9606050645.AA29335@dagobert.dbag.ulm.DaimlerBenz.COM> Andrew Beattie wrote: > Andrew > This is signature number 100 Andrew, I have accidentally deleted my maillog. Could you please repost signature #76 and #91? Best regards Bernhard = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: neitzke Subject: Re: dog stake for flying from sand Message-ID: <31B588A0.40D4@se01.elk.miles.com> Organization: Bayer Corporation Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 03:16:16 -1000 Andrew Beattie wrote: > > > Sand bags are not that much safer than stakes. > > I saw a huge bag of sand(I mean huge) > >fly into the air at Japan kite festival. > >The saddest part was that it's target was > >a little 3 year old boy who was just passing by. > > Fortunately he was not hurt only dazed. > *sigh* This is why we call Nature a " MOTHER " !!! :D - ;^) - B^} - :-) - 8-} - or just LOL -- Bob Neitzke birdofplay@aol.com http://members.aol.com/birdofplay = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =