Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 00:22:01 -1000 From: puc@aber.ac.uk (puc) Message-Id: <3kjl09$4kn@fileserv.aber.ac.uk> Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth Subject: Does dogs piss stain ripstop Has anyone else had anything like this? While I was untangling the bridle on my Sputnik4 on a local park, a friendly-looking mutt came over for a look. As I normally like animals, I patted his head and gently shooed him away. Next thing, my friend Amos bursts out laughing and I turn around just in time to see the animal cock his leg and relieve himself over the left wingtip. I think this was a comment on my colour scheme rather than the kite itself ( Great design Nop ). Nevertheless, as revenge, I didnt tell Amos which end had been squirted when he helped launch. Never trust dogs. Paul (puc@aber.ac.uk) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 01:34:20 -1000 From: John.Mitchell@multinet.de (john) Message-Id: <199503201134.AA00966@BlackBird.MultiNET.DE> Organization: Harvard University Office of Information Technology Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop Paul (puc@aber.ac.uk) writes: > Never trust dogs. I have had this happen to my kites and kite bags several times. If a dog lifts his leg on your kite or bag you have two alternatives, that I know of: - Fly only in fields with that kite, where dogs are NOT permitted. or - Get rid of that kite. Dogs just seem to keep coming back to that kite, no matter how often you wash it. Over-the-Rainbow, John Mitchell Munich, Germany = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 01:37:43 -1000 From: andrewh@holly.harvard.edu (Andrew Hawken) Message-Id: <3kjpe7$mp7@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop puc (puc@aber.ac.uk) wrote: : Has anyone else had anything like this? I seem to remember a warning on this group that once a kite has been 'marked' then it becomes a target for any and all dogs :-) Andy (Also a sputnik flyer) -- ____________________________Andrew Hawken______________________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, it is certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" R Dawkins. Home : 0895 420110 QMW : 071 975 5542 AIIT : 0494 677045 Email : A.Hawken@QMW.AC.UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:06:01 -1000 From: mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <795852361snx@murder.demon.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop In article <3kjl09$4kn@fileserv.aber.ac.uk> puc@aber.ac.uk (puc) writes: > [...] > Never trust dogs. > Yes indeed, one of the Great Laws of Kiting, often extended with the phrase 'or their owners'. Nothing drives the average dogger towards a wild eyed irrational frenzy faster than appeals to them to control their frolicking mutts. If seriously troubled by dogs, I have been known to adopt the following approach: Me : Is your dog a pedigree ? Dogger : No, why do you ask ? Me : Just wanted to know whether to pay for a new kite or a new dog... or Dogger : Yes, why do you ask ? Me : Well, my kite would only cost you to replace... -- Mark de Roussier ************************************ A nice man is a man of nasty ideas. Jonathon Swift. ************************************ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 20:36:08 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop mark@murder.demon.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) writes: >> Never trust dogs. >Yes indeed, one of the Great Laws of Kiting, often extended with the phrase >'or their owners'. Yeah! Once one dog owner has peed on your kite, they *all* want to do it :-( Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! > To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this: > Subject: service > http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome/index.html The proposal to split rec.kites is just a bad joke = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 11:38:53 -1000 From: sasaki@netopd.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: <3kq5dd$5ao@netope.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard OIT Network Services Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop Someone once told me that dogs are attracted to the smell of the coating on ripstop nylon that is often used for sails. And like most things, once marked, an object will continue to attract mail dogs to mark it as well. There are various products sold that are supposed to neutralize the smell, but I have no idea whether they work or not. -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 00:19:45 -1000 From: WTVGR@cardiff.ac.uk (Gareth Richards) Message-Id: <9D1FBE34410@wtv1.uwcm.ac.uk> Organization: Tenovus/UWCM Cardiff Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop I'm a bit confused :-> Not, in itself unusual, But If you're flying your kite, how did the dog get to piss on it? - Was it a flying dog? If the dog did the biz while the kite was on the ground, try:- Fix a couple of doubled up peices of ristop to spine Go back to same place Wait for dog to appear Coat new pieces of ripstop with Superglue and salty butter Let dog munch on this bit Launch kite-dog (you may need to adjust bridles) Give dog thrill of life-time Negotiate with owner for:- return of dog, compensation for any damage caused and for time/money spent Get compensation (dog stays air-born 'til the dosh is handed over) Land kite and return dog to owner (if still in one peice) BTW, I am a dog owner/lover (kinky? I don't think so). I frequently take my 2 mutts when I go flying, and they've never peed on my or anyone else's kite (to the best of my knowledge). Hope this helps Gareth \OOo. /================================\ \\\// |#| | Big Bit [tm] | #(o o)# / / |--------------------------------|/==========.oOO===(_)=============\ | E-mail: RichardsG@CF.AC.UK | #include disclaimer.h | | Tel: +44 (0)1222 744255 | The opinions expressed herein are| | Fax: +44 (0)1222 747618 | not necessarily those of myself, | |--------------------------------| Tenovus, UHW, UWCM or indeed any | | Snail Mail: Gareth Richards | other person or organization. | | Tenovus Cancer Research Centre |\=================================/ | Heath Park, Cardiff CF4 4XX, UK| _| | | |_ \================================/ [____/ \____] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 06:07:03 -1000 From: Terry_Reabel@carletonbe.ottawa.on.ca (Terry Reabel) Message-Id: <3477339390.290066904@carletonbe.ottawa.on.ca> Organization: Carleton Board of Education Subject: Re: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop Marty writes: >There are various products sold that are supposed to neutralize the >smell, but I have no idea whether they work or not. I own a dog (poodle) and he sometimes has accidents on the carpet. There is a stain removal product you can get at the local vets or a good pet store which does remove the stain and smell so that the dog is no longer attracted to it. The stuff I have does work. My dog does not bother my kites and is not attracted to them. I have noticed him or other dogs go nuts when I am flying whether or not I'm flying a noisy or quiet two liner. I suspect that the attraction is the sound. Hope this helps Terry Reabel Kite Buggiers do it Up Wind (all the ice is gone cannot kite ski anymore) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 06:59:38 -1000 From: Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky) Message-Id: <3ks9dq$27d@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop In <9D1FBE34410@wtv1.uwcm.ac.uk> WTVGR@cardiff.ac.uk (Gareth Richards) writes: >BTW, I am a dog owner/lover (kinky? I don't think so). I frequently >take my 2 mutts when I go flying, and they've never peed on my or anyone >else's kite (to the best of my knowledge). Okay, okay I'll admit it. It was my mail dog. No really. Wait I have a femail dog. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 06:51:36 -1000 From: Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky) Message-Id: <3ks8uo$22r@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop In <3kq5dd$5ao@netope.harvard.edu> sasaki@netopd.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes: >And like most >things, once marked, an object will continue to attract mail dogs to >mark it as well. ^^^^ That's very interesting, I have a table dog who is quite attracted to the smell of chicken mac nuggets. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:58:13 -1000 From: hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) Message-Id: <3kt1ul$d2c@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop In years of old urin was used in paints and dyes (fabric), I'm not sure whether it was as a fixative or colorant; but that's a bit of history, and yes it does stain. ;-( As the owner of an aging dog, I can say that "Nature's Miracle", available from Vets in the US, is the only thing that I found that actually removed the odor. The down side is that it does seem to bleach some fibers and the product does in fact suggest testing on a non-visable spot. It does a fairly good job on the stains, too. Good Luck, Alice Hayden 8^) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 22:31:45 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <3ku01h$e01@pobox.csc.fi> Organization: STACK Finland Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop In <3kjl09$4kn@fileserv.aber.ac.uk> puc@aber.ac.uk (puc) writes: >Has anyone else had anything like this? In 1991 a day before European Cup in Holland, I was practicing on the Vrouwenpolder (sp?) beach. I had landed my kite and was chatting with some body, when a group of dog owners arrived. One of the dogs separated >From the group and came to study my kite. I was standing by the handles. And it pissed on the wing tip! I had to use half a bottle of good beer as first aid to flush the sail:-( Half an hour later the group came back and the same dog separated again, jogging lazy towards my kite. My kite was again on the ground, but I was prepared. I took my handles and waited until the dog started to lift his leg. Quick launch and immediate tight spin above the dog! I was amazed how fast the dog could run his tail between the legs:-) My kite wasn't as silent as they are now. Next day in competition my kite placed 3rd in ballet (beating Mike Simmons & Tracer:-). Apparently the dog piss didn't affect it's flying. Simo -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi STACK Finland ==================================================================== Are you familiar with Kite Flyers Web Site? http://www.kfs.org/kites = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:31:33 -1000 From: christian.luethen@uni-duesseldorf.de (Christian.Luethen) Message-Id: <3novv7$o2i@news.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de> Organization: Heinrich Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf Subject: Re: Does dogs piss stain ripstop John.Mitchell@multinet.de (john) wrote: >Paul (puc@aber.ac.uk) writes: >> Never trust dogs. >I have had this happen to my kites and kite bags several times. >If a dog lifts his leg on your kite or bag you have two alternatives, >that I know of: The worst is: The dog-owners even seem to enjoy these happenings - rarely had them calling back their dogs. (Or is this a german/european problem?) Good (dry) winds Chris = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =