From: st0rmchsr@aol.com (ST0RMCHSR) Subject: Dodds Headspin Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:22:37 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4ov3gd$sf4@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Did anyone go to the Auction in Wildwood and See Dodd Gross headspin when he saw his Jam Session go for under $140 bucks... He flipped. What a sight to see. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: st0rmchsr@aol.com (ST0RMCHSR) Subject: Dodd's Headspin Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:06:03 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4ov2hb$s9u@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Does Anybody Know How To Get Quadrifoil Shirts, Jackets and Hats? Any did anyone see Dodd Gross do a headspin when he saw the jam session go for under $140 bucks with his signature!... What a sight at the Auction. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:30:15 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4p1a8n$q7h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Headspin huh? The Black rainbow Ventex special edition was a fun thing we did that went over very well! Only 50 were made signed by Christoph and I. Because of the large showing we made at ECSKC with the Tramontana Action Tour and bring Andy and Christoph over, renting a 300'x300 field just for us in the center of the whole event, introducing many new fliers and the list goes on.... I thought it would be great to offer these kites for the Auction. #1,2,3,&4. #4 went first for 120 I think, #3 for 140, #2 for 175 and #1 for 205!!!! Considering that kite lists for 170 those prices are pretty good. I was concerned at the first one going so cheap, but it was an auction were most kites go for wholesale price. Even the #4 going for 120 was pretty good. I'm glad I brought some pleasure to you by letting you witness my head spin. Just be lucky I did'nt get any pea soup on you. Have fun Dodd = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Andrew Beattie Subject: Dodd's Headspin Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:16:39 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <9606042316.aa21461@tug.com> > Does Anybody Know How To Get Quadrifoil Shirts, Jackets and Hats? Any did > anyone see Dodd Gross do a headspin when he saw the jam session go for > under 40 bucks with his signature!... What a sight at the Auction. Hell, I wouldn't pay the sticker price for a kite that Dod had defaced... Andrew Chevron Performance kites: http://www.kfs.org/kites/chevron = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:24:32 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4p2d30$9ik@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Sorry Dodd, I was excited to get #4 for a good price. I didn't see the pea soup fly and you were gracious when you congratulated me. I think the black rainbow is a pretty kite (since 1st seeing Sandy's white rainbow, I'd been telling him that it should have been made with black instead of white...lMHO looks sharper). Michael (who got #3) and I had fun flying them last Saturday at Jones Beach and got the usual questions about are we professionals, how much do they cost and where can they be bought. So as 1 friend who manufactures another kite said that kites going cheap at auctions don't upset him. He considers it a benifit for the competitors and still gets his products out in competent hands to be seen by John or Jill Q. Public who can't usually distinguish between a Master or Novice flyer at the park or beach. Now my question is what rods did you have in the Jam Sessions on the demo video? Where the stock rods? P.S. how do I get a Jam Session pin? :-) Alice Hayden 8^) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Shapson Subject: Re: Dodds Headspin Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:58:48 -1000 Organization: Steve Shapson Message-ID: <31B4F7E8.1894@execpc.com> Some years ago, when I was manufacturing the big Force 10 Delta Wing monster, I made one for the Auction at a AKA Convention. It was so beautiful, all inlay, that they put it right over the podium where all the heavy-weights get up and speak for a day or two. I thought for sure it would bring in the big money. I was so proud just to see it over the podium. But no, it brought in about $250.00. I started to cry and even wet my new Depends I had on at the time. I had to quickly run out and change them, so as not to embarress myself in front of my peers. But, I didn't flip out or anything. I just quietly went up to my room and tried to stick a 505 spar into my arm. For those who don't know me, the part about the Depends and below was just a joke. Steve Shapson Force 10 Foils and Humor Co. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: kichiwa@eskimo.com (Mike Eason) Subject: Re: Dodds Headspin Message-ID: Organization: Not Much! Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:19:53 -1000 In article <31B4F7E8.1894@execpc.com>, force10@execpc.com says... > >Some years ago, when I was manufacturing the big Force 10 Delta Wing >monster, I made one for the Auction at a AKA Convention. It was so >beautiful, all inlay, that they put it right over the podium where all >the heavy-weights get up and speak for a day or two. I thought for sure >it would bring in the big money. I was so proud just to see it over the >podium. But no, it brought in about $250.00. I started to cry and even >wet my new Depends I had on at the time. I had to quickly run out and >change them, so as not to embarress myself in front of my peers. > >But, I didn't flip out or anything. I just quietly went up to my room >and tried to stick a 505 spar into my arm. > >For those who don't know me, the part about the Depends and below was >just a joke. > >Steve Shapson >Force 10 Foils and Humor Co. To Dodd and Steve and all of the other Manufactures and retailers who continually donate to kite raffles and auctions, we all owe a large amount of THANKYUO's! Without their support, many kite events would not take place. We, as kite fliers and consumers, often think that, "Hey, they're business people making lots of money off kites." Having been associated with several other types of both retail and proffessional service businesses, as well as with a small part of the "kite trade" in an advisory role only, I would like to let you all know that no one selling kite products, wholesale or retail, is getting rich easy at all. Thousands of other product lines would offer a much greater return on their monetary and time investments. They are selling kites because they love kite flying. There are lots of easier, far less risky and tempramental ways to make money. Did you know that a typical clothing specialty shop will start out with a 300markup (75margin). When they have a 50learance sale they still have a profit margin at or greater than what a kite retailer starts out with! If kite auction prices are low (typical), I feel that it is more a reflection of the cheapness of the attendees than any reflection on the quality of the products donated by the more than generous manufacturers and retailers. -- Mike Eason Media Specialist: Everett Community College, Everett, WA voice H:206-334-0362 W:206-388-9117 fax:206-388-9144 Newsletter Editor and Past President, Snohomish County Incredible Flying Individuals, SCI-FI Event Organizer/Committee Chair, Washington State Sport Kite Championships, 9/28-29/96 Whidbey Island Kite Festival, 9/28-29/96 - Casey Conf. Center, Coupeville, Whidbey Is. WA, USA = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Andrew Beattie Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:38:32 -1000 Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Message-ID: <9606062338.aa07706@tug.com> Someone writes: > > Hell, I wouldn't pay the sticker price for a kite that Dod had defaced... > Geez , Andrew, Dodd must have really pissed you off. No at all. I *like* Dodd. He's never done anything to annoy me and he's contributed much to the community. Don't take anything I say too seriously... Andrew For sale: Netscape emulator. The easy way to post 7 identical messages. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: esinger@neocomm.net (Eric Singer) Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:00:21 -1000 Organization: Hemisphere - A division of NEOCOM Microspecialists Inc. Message-ID: <31b7904d.4073861@hemisphere.neocomm.net> On 4 Jun 1996 18:24:32 -0400, hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) wrote: >Sorry Dodd, I was excited to get #4 for a good price. I didn't see the >pea soup fly and you were gracious when you congratulated me. > >I think the black rainbow is a pretty kite (since 1st seeing Sandy's white >rainbow, I'd been telling him that it should have been made with black >instead of white...lMHO looks sharper). I agree that the jam sessions with the black stripes went for a good price and were excellent buys! The problem I had at the auction was the fact that they were the first 4 of a run of ? (who knows how many). If those 4 were the only ones made ever, I think they would have gone for more money. I saw some of the same reactions from Dodd and the HQ team at MASKC. They were disappointed about the price their kites went for and I bad felt for them. They've spent a lot of time and effort in bringing these kites to the market. I can only imagine the let down, If a kite I made didn't go for the retail value or over, at an auction. The fact seems to be that at auctions, kite flyers want the one of the following: 1) the one of a kind kite with special graphics 2) The newest kite (The Rage) with go marketing behind it. (PS: If Anyone names a kite after "The Rage" let me know :) 3) Rok or Fighter kites seem to go fast at high dollars too. 4) Kite Bags, Line Bags (Hey folks, no one can have enough of these) 5) Any piece of equipment that proclaims you King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Duke, Duchess, Etc... of the Wind (i.e. MASKC Auction) :) The average production run kites don't seem to bring many dollars. If people can buy them tomorrow from any kite store for the same price or less, they normally will. I, on the otherhand, can be a very impulsive buyer, so any or all of the above don't apply to me ;) -------------------------------------------------------------- Eric D. Singer Value Added Software - Programmer/Analyst esinger@neocomm.net Neocom Microspecialists, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: "George W. Gilchrist" Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Message-ID: <31B79921.138@eskimo.com> Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:51:13 -1000 Djskites wrote: > > Headspin huh? > Dodd and all the other kind folks who donate gear to auctions and raffles: THANK YOU! Your gifts support and enhance every event. One of the great things about an auction is that one can walk away with a bargain while still contributing a chunk of money to a good cause. Maybe a raffle would be a better fundraiser for this event. Lots of folks will buy $40 or $50 worth of raffle tickets for a shot at some great prizes (the raffle at the Ft. Worden Kitemakers Workshop brings in thousands of dollars). But hey, that means somebody walks away with a $200 kite for $1!!! Dodd, Paul, Steve, and all the rest of you who donate goodies for us to win, Thanks again. Cheers, George -- *********************************************************** George W. Gilchrist Biologist and Kiteflyer home/kites: kitesci@eskimo.com biology/office: gilchgw@zoology.washington.edu = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Shapson Subject: Re: Dodds Headspin Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:18:41 -1000 Organization: Steve Shapson Message-ID: <31BA2671.49A1@execpc.com> Mike Eason partially wrote,"Did you know that a typical clothing specialty shop will start out with a 300markup (75margin). When they have a 50learance sale they still have a profit margin at or greater than what a kite retailer starts out with!" Not completely true, Mike. If only clothing specialty stores had a 300 markup. Most only 'keystone'(double) the wholesale cost of their inventory. Which mean, after overhead, actual profit margins are between 10 and 25 I'm in both worlds, both as a retailer(Screamin' Tuna Surf Shop-11 years) and Force 10 Foils(5 years). Some of us aren't getting rich financially, but for me, I feel rich that I can have a lifestyle that includes flying kites, and getting paid for it. That is true wealth. Steve Shapson = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Shapson Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:20:07 -1000 Organization: Steve Shapson Message-ID: <31BA26C7.71D@execpc.com> Dodd baby, pea soup is my favorite. Stevie = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: rokman@ionet.net (Collette Lemons) Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:22:51 -1000 Organization: IONet Message-ID: <4pdqjr$l4d@ionews.ionet.net> In article <31BA26C7.71D@execpc.com>, force10@execpc.com says... > >Dodd baby, pea soup is my favorite. >Stevie Glad you told him, he will know where to send it next time. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) Subject: Re: Dodd's Headspin Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:18:57 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4pi70h$sgl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> In article <31b7904d.4073861@hemisphere.neocomm.net>, esinger@neocomm.net (Eric Singer) writes: You're the Eric having trouble assembling Rokakkus at Verdun. Yes? Hey, I'm still high on the night fly! >The problem I had at the auction was >the fact that they were the first 4 of a run of ? (who knows how >many). Actually, they announced that it was 1, 2, 3 or 4 of a limited run of 50 AND the kites are marked that way. > The average production run kites don't seem to bring many dollars. If > people can buy them tomorrow from any kite store for the same price or > less, they normally will. ABSOLUTELY, in the colours that they want, too. And with discount sellers, I don't know anyone who buys kites for list more than once or twice. Alice Hayden 8^) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =