From: pauld@maple.sover.net (Paul Deschenes) Subject: cloudbuster kites Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 05:27:36 -1000 Organization: SoVerNet, Inc. Message-ID: <4nnel8$7dh@thrush.sover.net> ************************************************************************** * CLOUDBUSTER KITES * Our Kites Are Out Of This World * * RR1 Box 283B * For Free Information and prices * * Dairy Hill Rd. * e-mail pauld@sover.net * * So. Royalton, Vt. 05068 * subject: kites * ************************************************************************* = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Bateman Subject: Re: cloudbuster kites Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 08:16:02 -1000 Organization: San Diego State University Message-ID: <319F6562.67F9@mail.sdsu.edu> Paul Deschenes wrote: > > ************************************************************************** > * CLOUDBUSTER KITES * Our Kites Are Out Of This World * > * RR1 Box 283B * For Free Information and prices * > * Dairy Hill Rd. * e-mail pauld@sover.net * > * So. Royalton, Vt. 05068 * subject: kites * > ************************************************************************* Why does this guy keep posting these advertisments? Have I been the only one to email him with a complaint? And why is the above mentioned email address different from the return address? Oh what the hell, let's have all the kite order businesses post ads to the group; we could rename the group to rec.kites.yellowpages Steve Bateman bateman@mail.sdsu.edu Flying along. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: neitzke Subject: Re: cloudbuster kites Message-ID: <31A1C1EB.5ACD@se01.elk.miles.com> Organization: Bayer Corporation Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 03:15:23 -1000 Steve Bateman wrote: > > Paul Deschenes wrote: > > > > > Why does this guy keep posting these advertisments? Why complain ? This is about the most unobtrusive form of advertising. Think of you "favorite" used car add then take another look here. Sure there may be some "rule" that tells us not to do it but nobody follows rules anymore - nobody ever exceeds the speed limit either. We have both expended more "clicks" than it would have originally taken to "point click and delete" the original add in the first place. One click in Netscape does it for me. That's not much for one human being to ask of another. Everybody has something to offer, some have ideas, others have kites. Bob Neitzke birdofplay@aol.com http://members.aol.com/birdofplay = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Steve Bateman Subject: Re: cloudbuster kites Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:21:04 -1000 Organization: San Diego State University Message-ID: <31A26C00.7147@mail.sdsu.edu> neitzke wrote: > > Steve Bateman wrote: > > > > Paul Deschenes wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why does this guy keep posting these advertisments? > > Why complain ? This is about the most unobtrusive > form of advertising. Think of you "favorite" used > car add then take another look here. > Sure there may be some "rule" > that tells us not to do it but nobody follows rules > anymore - nobody ever exceeds the speed limit either.Well, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, so what the ##. > Everybody has something to offer, some have ideas, > others have kites.If all the retailers on rec.kites offered their kites for sale, would you enjoy the group as much? Andrew, as far as I know, is the only person to have an introductory page for rec.kites readers. This to me carries some clout. The following is from his page at www.kfs.org:80/kites/adpolicy/index.html ........... We want to support the the kite trade in rec.kites, for the benefit of both traders and fliers. However, we want to avoid being swamped by commercial advertising as the net contines to expand (at around 10/month!) Remember that people *pay* to recieve rec.kites. Commercial adverts can do your business more harm than good. Imagine how you would feel about a company that sent you junk-mail with "postage to pay"... Policy 1.Don't post adverts 2.A posting announcing a NEW catalogue is fine, but *don't* post the catalogue (make it available by Email or on the web), and don't repeat the posting 3.If there is a thread about a product that you manufacture or sell, feel free to contribute to the thread, but do so as an informed poster, not as an advertiser 4.An announcement of a new trade service on the net (by Email or Web) is fine, but don't repeat it, and keep it to announcement only. 5.Keep your signature to 4 lines maximum. a 4-line .sig is widely accepted as acceptable and considered to part of the normal overhead associated with each posting. If it's going to be there, then I see no reason to stop traders using it in any way that they see fit. Since the signature space would likey be filled with other low-information content stuff if it wasn't an advert, I see this as zero-cost option. However, even here, people get upset if you overdo it. The AKA's "No price based ads" policy may be appropriate but I can't find it to hand to quote from. Your signature is a good place to mention your trade, and to have a pointer to your catalogue or Web page. It is considered good form to mention your trade connection so that people can identify any bias you may have in your postings. 6.Private ads are OK, but only do it once. Put it in your 4-line signature, if you like. 7.The correct response to a post asking for a dealer in is to reply by Email. If you feel that a posting is appropriate, you should detail how to get the answer from the Address FAQ. Check your entry in the Address FAQ (at the time of writing, this is being updated - the latest copy is at www.kfs.org - Hawaii will be updated when we're finished) 8.Feel free to discuss the products that you make or sell, but remember that we can tell what is advice, information and opinion and distinguish it from advertising. 9.It is in your own long-term interest to keep to the spirit of this policy, as it's failure is likely to lead to the creation of biz.kites, to which all trade activity will be banished, but which is also likely to have a smaller audience. If you want to go ahead and create biz.kites for this purpose, then go ahead... ................... I don't think this is to much to ask. Steve Bateman bateman@mail.sdsu.edu Flying along. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =