Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 04:52:51 -1000 From: ciemian@locus.com (Brian Ciemian) Message-Id: <43hco3$5tf@lccma.bos.locus.com> Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Burlington MA Subject: Buggy tips please (Nahant,MA) Ok, so i broke down and built a buggy, its not bad at all but it does need some tweaking. I had a real problem however getting back toward my car at the beach. One problem i had was i think my line length wass way too long. I was using a 8 ft flexi with a little over 100 ft lines. I notice the other guy buggying out there had a quad line, it coming back against the win easier with a quad? I could use some input on this buggy stuff since this was my first time. Will Flexi's beed good enough ( i have a 6 and a 8) How hard is it to come back against the wind? How long should my lines be? Anyone else buggy at Nahant? The guy who was there with a real buggy mentioned that the guy from Kites of Boston was planning a buggy event there for sometime in Oct. If somesone knows about this please email me or post it here. Hey Thanks for all the help Brian Ciemian ciemian@locus.com Locus Computing Corp. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 10:10:18 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Buggy tips please (Nahant,MA) ciemian@locus.com (Brian Ciemian) writes: >I had a real problem however getting back toward my car at the >beach. One problem i had was i think my line length wass way too long. >I was using a 8 ft flexi with a little over 100 ft lines. I notice the other >guy buggying out there had a quad line, it coming back against the win easier >with a quad? I could use some input on this buggy stuff since this was >my first time. An 8' flexi has an area of only about 16 square feet, and some of that is pushing down instead of up. This is almost undobtedly less than the quad was providing. Added to that, the flexi's real strength is in screaming along at hight speed across the wind, but it's power is in the middle of the window - it has precious little at the edge, so the quad is likely to have you licked up-wind. Practice will help a *lot*, but I've walked back with a stack of 6 10's before now. You want to move your flexies about the sky - they faster they are moving, the more pull they generate. With longer lines you get more sky to play with (and spend less time losing power as the kite turns corners. I would consider 100' the *minimum* for normal circumstances (I'd consider 150' to be "medium length" for dual-line buggying). I'd also look at your line strength. Flexies are particularly sensitive to line drag. Don't go over 300lb. You're probably able to get away with 200lb, if cared for. Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this->| Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome/index.html 80+ chrs/line looks messy on many screens. Often too messy to bother reading. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 15:04:50 -1000 From: bateman@mail.sdsu.edu (Stephen christopher Bateman) Message-Id: <43l4vi$h8h@gondor.sdsu.edu> Organization: San Diego State University Subject: Re: Buggy tips please (Nahant,MA) The ease at which one comes back against the wind depends on how far out to the edge the kite goes and the amount of pull it generates there. I'm not familiar with flexi's for the buggy, but I feel that other two line kites (Peels and Sputniks) do better on the edge than quadline kites. How long should my lines be? I use lines about 130', and wouldn't normally go over about 175'. Though I've heard of Andrew B. using 800' lines to get the wind way up there when it's calm down here. The longer your lines are the more sky you can sweep, a big advantage over quadline kites in my opinion. I think quadline kites currently aren't flown on longer lines because they are generally flown parked on the edge of the wind. Quadline kites also have a problem when they do tight turns because the inside half of the wind loses pressure, thereby decreasing pull and speed. If you don't already have them, I suggest getting the book 'Stunt Kites II' by Servaas van der Horst and Nop Velthuizen and 'Buggies, Boats, and Peels' by Peter Lynn. Very good reading. Steve Bateman bateman@mail.sdsu.edu Flying along. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:19:47 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Buggy tips please (Nahant,MA) bateman@mail.sdsu.edu (Stephen christopher Bateman) writes: >Though I've >heard of Andrew B. using 800' lines to get the wind way up there when it's >calm down here. Then you've heard wrong. I used to have a set of 300'x400lb lines, which were excellent for soaking up the lightest breeze, if you had the room (until somone chopped them up for me *sigh*) I joined some lines together in the desert, to make a 600' set, (so long that I used the car to go back and forth to set it up :-) ). I then proceeded to use them to run a 360 with a 10m^2 peel. If they are *too* long, you start to lose out to sag and line-drag. Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this->| Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome/index.html 80+ chrs/line looks messy on many screens. Often too messy to bother reading. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:35:15 -1000 From: coreykite@aol.com (Coreykite) Message-Id: <43q8fj$p7v@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Buggy tips please (Nahant,MA) >Andrew writes: I used 600' lines in the desert... What he fails to mention is that the first time he did this, it was a black, black night (no moon yet) and when a number of us walked out to help him, he did not hear us approach and the first to speak to him nearly scared the pee out of him. ;-) What fun! aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =