Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:00:45 -1000 From: bdryhntr@nwrain.com Message-Id: <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> Organization: RGNet Subject: Buggy, Buggy, who's got I've finally made a decision to buy a buggy, but, now the question is, which one? There are apparently many different buggies available but I've actually seen only one, several months ago, before I got bit by traction kites. I'm currently the proud owner of two quads, a Quadrifoil 2.5 and a SkyTiger 40. Of course I'll add to the stable with time. Most of my buggying will likely be on the Washington coast and inland when space can be found, but the real question is who's got the buggies? The only one I've actually touched was a Peter Lynn and, while the construction was pretty impressive, I'm not all that impressed by it. (No offense Peter) So, who's got a list of buggies available in the US? And some sincere pros & cons, or other tidbits of juicy information? I'm interested in buggying on both beach sand and any open available ground I can find, which could include asphalt and cow pasture (yes, I'll avoid the patties!). Accordingly I suspect I'd need a couple different tire/wheel combinations. I'm a mere 140 pounds, (no that's not a price for the UK, but a weight in US terms,) so don't need anything really stout. Thoughts and comments appreciated. I am NOT short, I'm vertically challenged! bdryhntr@nwrain.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:23:58 -1000 From: lord@eskimo.com (David Lord) Message-Id: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got In article <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> bdryhntr@nwrain.com writes: >From: bdryhntr@nwrain.com >Subject: Buggy, Buggy, who's got >Date: 5 Feb 1995 16:00:45 GMT >I've finally made a decision to buy a buggy, but, now the question is, which >one? >There are apparently many different buggies available but I've actually seen >only one, several months ago, before I got bit >by traction kites. I'm currently the proud owner of two quads, a Quadrifoil 2.5 >and a SkyTiger 40. Of course I'll add to the stable >with time. Most of my buggying will likely be on the Washington coast and >inland when space can be found, but the real >question is who's got the buggies? >The only one I've actually touched was a Peter Lynn and, while the construction >was pretty impressive, I'm not all that impressed >by it. (No offense Peter) So, who's got a list of buggies available in the US? >And some sincere pros & cons, or other tidbits of >juicy information? >I'm interested in buggying on both beach sand and any open available ground I >can find, which could include asphalt and cow >pasture (yes, I'll avoid the patties!). Accordingly I suspect I'd need a couple >different tire/wheel combinations. >I'm a mere 140 pounds, (no that's not a price for the UK, but a weight in US >terms,) so don't need anything really stout. >Thoughts and comments appreciated. >I am NOT short, I'm vertically challenged! > >bdryhntr@nwrain.com I buggy here on the washington coast and I use a Cobra buggy designed by Peter Lynn for Cobra kites. I bought it at Cutting Edge Kites in Kent Wa. I like it very much. I think the front fork design is better than the Original Peter Lynn design. I have had it for a year and have put 175 miles on it with no signs of wear or tear. I have also seen the Land Lizard and it looks good also. I would suggest that if you can try to make it to Ivanpaugh on 3-12 march for the buggy event. There will be lots of people there and I am sure you can borrow different buggys for many rides. Then you will know which you like the best. Although I haven't seen a bad buggy its just some are better than others in different respects. After Ivanpaugh contact me and You can try my buggy at the beach at Westport Wa. You already have a couple of good buggy engines. Dave Lord = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:28:54 -1000 From: morrie@eskimo.com (Morrie & Kelci Williams) Message-Id: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got In article <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> bdryhntr@nwrain.com writes: >I've finally made a decision to buy a buggy, but, now the question is, which one? Welcome to the club! My wife and I have 2 Buggies which we us at Grayland, WA. Both our Buggies are PL's. We've had ours for over a year. The first one we picked up at Longbeach Kites on the way back from the AKA convention in Seaside, OR. The other one we picked up from Windbourne Kites in Monterey, CA (Mail order). We've seen and ridden on most of the Buggies in production, and we still like Peter's Buggy the best. You'll have to tryout each one and see what works best for you. As Dave mentioned, if you can make it try to attend Ivanpah in March. There will be examples of just about every Buggy made and most folks will let you test drive there rigs just for the asking. That's about the easiest way for you to see what works best for you. If you can't get to Ivanpah, join Dave, Kelci, and myself at Grayland some weekend and you can try at least 2 of the current Buggy brands. If you happen to come acrossed a place to Buggy inland, there are a bunch of Washington Buggiers who would love to try someplace closer to home. Good Winds Buggy Morrie Williams or morrie@eskimo.com Die!!! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:08:15 -1000 From: pbc@ufl.edu (Philip Chase) Message-Id: Organization: CIRCA, University of Florida Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got In article <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> bdryhntr@nwrain.com writes: >From: bdryhntr@nwrain.com >Subject: Buggy, Buggy, who's got >Date: 5 Feb 1995 16:00:45 GMT >I've finally made a decision to buy a buggy, but, now the question is, which one? You have a made a wise decision. :-) I am the proud owner of two buggies--a Peter Lynn Classic (what Morrie has) and a Peter Lynn Competition. I like them both, but I definitely like the comp buggy better. It is holds your butt tighter, has higher foot pegs (better for two wheelin'), a simpler assembly, more adjustability in the length and it slides evenly front and rear. The Classic buggy always slides in the rear first. You will find that some people like different buggies because of their butt size. At 5'11" and 160 lbs my butt does not fill out a Land Lizard seat, so I slide around in those. Consider butt grip in your decision. I like people's suggestion about going to the Buggy Blast. This is definitely the way to try a lot of gear. Just make sure you have a helmet as those can be a hot commodity on the lake bed. I think I'm going to make it there after all and I will probably bring both of m buggies. Philip Philip Chase Check out the Power Kiting Web Page pbc@ufl.edu http://grove.circa.ufl.edu/~pbc/powerkite.html 904-378-6893 Have any good power kiting info? I would FAX: 904-392-3760 like to put it on the power kiting page. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 18:15:24 -1000 From: morrie@eskimo.com (Morrie & Kelci Williams) Message-Id: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got In article pbc@ufl.edu (Philip Chase) writes: >I think I'm going to make it there after all and I will probably bring both of >m buggies. Hi Phillip! It's great to hear that you might make it to Ivanpah. Have I missed something? Or haven't there been any postings about the Buggying at Intentional Lunacy '95?????? Looking forward to seeing you in Nevada. Morrie Williams Buggy Woodinville, WA, USA or morrie@eskimo.com Die!!!!! = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:19:00 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got In article <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> bdryhntr@nwrain.com writes: >The only one I've actually touched was a Peter Lynn and, while the >construction was pretty impressive, I'm not all that impressed >by it. (No offense Peter) So, who's got a list of buggies available in >the US? And some sincere pros & cons, or other tidbits of juicy information? The Lynn buggy sure doesn't look like a Rolls Royce, but it wins hands down in terms of design: Geometry: The Lynn buggy is right. Most people who rip it off change it slightly, stuffing it up. The steering has the right lay-out to provide high-speed stability. Some buggies turn to full lock if your feet slip from the pegs. Damping mechanisms on the steering are a sign that something is not right. The is the right width to allow the pilot the ability to choose between sliding or 2-wheeling as required. The Seat is just right to be both comfortable and to give the grip for controlling the buggy with your bum. Some buggys leave the seat-side too far away to grip. The pegs are fairly high by comparision to others to provide better power handling. Watch out for buggies without foot-stops or *shudder* velcro foot-straps. If you're new to buggying, you won't appreciate the control that is available over understeer and oversteer... Weight: Weight matters a lot. The heavier the buggy, the more likely you are to leave it behind. Portability. The Lynn buggy breaks up small. You'll want to take it with you. Safety. If it's not possible to break the buggy, it's too heavy. But when it does fail, *how* will it fail? For the forks in particular, you want it to bend, not snap and imbed it'sself in the dirt. Also, look out for over-tall steering assemblies aimed for your groin... Other stuff. When the buggy bug bites, you'll want to try it on ice, on water, in tandem... Which options are open to you? Finaly, there is a moral matter. Do you want to buy Peter's buggy, a buggy designed by him (the Flexifoil buggy), a copy authorised by him (Steve Shapson's buggy), an original and different design, such as the fibreglass Zeph 1 or the Pha'ton cruiser, or a rip-off? >I'm interested in buggying on both beach sand and any open available ground >I can find, which could include asphalt and cow pasture (yes, I'll avoid >the patties!). Accordingly I suspect I'd need a couple different tire/wheel >combinations. I would choose the *treaded* fat tyres on just about any surface (except soft sand where I'd like balloons...) Andrew -- Does a Rev War Kite have 4 lines and fly on Manja? o /\ Kite Jumping: Read the Kite FAQ's: ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq |_ \/ If you want For sale: Prototype Keelless Rowlands Flowform. US$80 (_\ to fly, use a Kite Fliers Site: http://www.kfs.org/kites andrew@tug.com Hangglider = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 13:14:58 -1000 From: djordan@choice.equinox.gen.nz Message-Id: Organization: The Choice BBS Subject: Re: Buggy, Buggy, who's got lord@eskimo.com (David Lord) writes: > In article <3h2snd$qem@news0.rain.rg.net> bdryhntr@nwrain.com writes: > >From: bdryhntr@nwrain.com > >Subject: Buggy, Buggy, who's got > >Date: 5 Feb 1995 16:00:45 GMT > > >I've finally made a decision to buy a buggy, but, now the question is, which > >one? > > >There are apparently many different buggies available but I've actually seen > >only one, several months ago, before I got bit > >by traction kites. I'm currently the proud owner of two quads, a Quadrifoil > >and a SkyTiger 40. Of course I'll add to the stable > >with time. Most of my buggying will likely be on the Washington coast and > >inland when space can be found, but the real > >question is who's got the buggies? > > >The only one I've actually touched was a Peter Lynn and, while the construct > >was pretty impressive, I'm not all that impressed > >by it. (No offense Peter) So, who's got a list of buggies available in the > >And some sincere pros & cons, or other tidbits of > >juicy information? > > >I'm interested in buggying on both beach sand and any open available ground > >can find, which could include asphalt and cow > >pasture (yes, I'll avoid the patties!). Accordingly I suspect I'd need a co > >different tire/wheel combinations. > > >I'm a mere 140 pounds, (no that's not a price for the UK, but a weight in US > >terms,) so don't need anything really stout. > > >Thoughts and comments appreciated. > > >I am NOT short, I'm vertically challenged! > > > >bdryhntr@nwrain.com > I buggy here on the washington coast and I use a Cobra buggy designed by Pete > Lynn for Cobra kites. I bought it at Cutting Edge Kites in Kent Wa. I like it > very much. I think the front fork design is better than the Original Peter > Lynn design. I have had it for a year and have put 175 miles on it with no > signs of wear or tear. I have also seen the Land Lizard and it looks good > also. I would suggest that if you can try to make it to Ivanpaugh on 3-12 > march for the buggy event. There will be lots of people there and I am sure > you can borrow different buggys for many rides. Then you will know which you > like the best. Although I haven't seen a bad buggy its just some are better > than others in different respects. After Ivanpaugh contact me and You can try > my buggy at the beach at Westport Wa. You already have a couple of good buggy > engines. > Dave Lord > y = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =