Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 04:52:38 -1000 From: vantassel@ppd.jas.nasa.gov Message-Id: <1994Jun9.134801.25896@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Organization: nasa-jsc Subject: box kites I want to make box kites with my kids. Can someone recommend a book that tells how to do that? Thanks in advance. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:23:10 -1000 From: rock@netcom.com (Anne Rock) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services Subject: Re: box kites vantassel@ppd.jas.nasa.gov wrote: : I want to make box kites with my kids. Can someone recommend : a book that tells how to do that? Thanks in advance. >From the General FAQ, which lists many kite books: Greger, Margaret. Kites for Everyone. 1984. $12.95 Library of Congress # 84-90383 Plans for about 48 kites (Vietnamese and snake, Dutch and dragon, sled, bullet, square, eddy, delta, box, corner and facet, flowform) and tails, bags, and drogues. Instructions written for various papers, plastics, or ripstop. Chapter on classroom kites. Greger, Margaret. More Kites for Everyone. 1990. $9.95 ISBN 0-9613680-1-4 Plans for about 17 kites (sled, delta, eddy, facet, Peter Lynn Tri-D, delta-conyne, Goble starbox, others). Materials called for are various papers, plastics (tips on heat sealing plastic), ripstop. Chapters on kites in the classroom and at camp (Margaret has been teaching kitemaking for over 15 years). both are self-published (and available from many kite retailers) Margaret Greger, 1425 Marshall, Richland, WA 99352 USA Margaret Greger's books are the ones recommended for beginning (to expert) single-line kitemakers. "More Kites for Everyone" is newer, has more current background information. If you can't find these books locally, you can order from: Kite Lines Book Store P.O. Box 466 Randallstown, MD 21133-0466 USA (410) 922-1212, fax (410) 922-4262 Carries almost all kite books in print, ships worldwide, and allows you to return any book within 10 days if you're not satisfied. Anne -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * Anne Rock | * * rock@netcom.com | * * Berkeley, CA | * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 18:13:52 -1000 From: sparks@netcom.com (Steve Millspaugh) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Subject: Re: box kites vantassel@ppd.jas.nasa.gov wrote: : I want to make box kites with my kids. Can someone recommend : a book that tells how to do that? Thanks in advance. The book "Kites for Everyone" by Margaret Greger is a good starting point. She specializes in relatively simple designs using inexpensive materials. She has taught classes for us at the Fort Worden Kitemakers Conference (and at others) in teaching kitemaking to kids. There are other books that feature more complicated designs and high-tech materials, but for working with kids I think Margaret's book (and its followup More Kites for Everyone) is your best bet. Steve Millspaugh = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:19:42 -1000 From: av848@freenet.buffalo.edu (Michael T. Decker) Message-Id: Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Subject: Box Kites I have just returned from the 2nd Annual Father's Day Kite Fly, here in Buffalo, NY. It is presented by the Great Lakes Kitefliers Society, and is a full day of Family Kiteflying. This year a certain member flew 39- three ft. Box Kites in a train. Anybody know what the most Box Kites ever flown at one tim, on one line is? (By the way, they were "Buffalo Box Kites", simply the best Box Kite made, and right here in Buffalo NY, too) -- Sometimes it is easier to beg forgiveness, than it is to ask permission. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:38:40 -1000 From: kitejag@aol.com (KITEJAG) Message-Id: <3sbrp0$9hm@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Box Kites I also have a large box kite train...forty, four foot winged box kites. We've only flown the whole stack twice...once to prove it could be done and the next time at a local festival here in CA. While I don't know the maximum number EVER flown, I know after fifteen or so, you start running into some problems even getting the beast launched. with forty kites we need ten or tweleve folks...to keep the already assembled kites lined up and to keep them from rolling. Each of my kites have four, twenty five foot tails and you should have seen the mess the first time we set this thing up and a wayward gust started the train rolling on the ground...YUCK!!! The other problem I've encountered is landing the beast...the train is flown on 2500 pound dacron braid (yes, the train does pick up a healthy pull in about ten mph and above) and the thing doesn't want to come down...the first time we just waited till the wind stopped!! I now have a trip line which is only marginally effective...I'd be interested to know how your friends get their train down. The last problem I've encountered is good old fashioned set up and take down time...like a good four hours to set up and about the same to tear down. All the negatives having been said, I have never seen anything prittier in the air. I guess in the absence of information to the contrary, I can say forty kites is the record...but it really makes little difference because even if it were a record (it probably isn't) some one would fly fifty next week...I think the real limitation is the set up and tear down time. John A. Gabby Jr. Think kindly thoughts. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:49:56 -1000 From: russe@ix.netcom.com (Russell Erganbright ) Message-Id: <3se9p4$91i@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Subject: box kites I there a group or club out there that is focused on box kites? Please respond to RussE.ix.netcom.com TIA Russell Erganbright = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:44:03 -1000 From: av848@freenet.buffalo.edu (Michael T. Decker) Message-Id: Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Subject: Box kites I am lookinmg for information on the most box kites flown in a train. Sizes, styles, manufacturer, location, date of fly, who did it? etc... Help me out???? -- Sometimes it is easier to beg forgiveness, than it is to ask permission. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 07:23:34 -1000 From: kitejag@aol.com (KITEJAG) Message-Id: <3speqm$lsq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Box kites Michael, Just a short note to let you and the rest of the world know I made a big misake when I was talking about my stack of box kites...I went out and counted them last night and there are only thirty (not forty as I had indicated)...was not trying to mislead...just a mistake...it's still a whole bunch and after ten or so, makes little difference. The kites are four foot winged box kites and were built (most of them) by Frank "Tiny" Rosas, a local builder who is quite talented. Four of the kites were built by who knows!! Each kite has four (actually started out as eight) tails. They are bridled with a two line bridle system at the top bridle point so the kites kind of decrease angle of attack as the wind picks up which keeps the pull more or less consistant...a whole bunch!!! I have a third line attached to the lower left spar of each kite, which,when pulled, guides the stack to the left and hopefully out of the wind window...this is only marginally effective...The stack is a real chore to get down, and that's a fact!!! Gotto run...have a great day John A. Gabby Jr. Think kindly thoughts. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:21:37 -1000 From: av848@freenet.buffalo.edu (Michael T. Decker) Message-Id: Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Subject: Box kites Well we did it again!!!!! The Great Lakes Kitefliers Society, of BUFFALO NY! had their monthly first Saturday Fly at Erie Community College, (Acrossed the street from Rich Stadium, home of the Buffalo Bills,). A group of five members and guests helped to launch a train of 3 ft. Buffalo Box Kites, 50 in number, which flew for over an hour, flawlessly! My thanks to all who helped me assemble, and dissassemble, the 50 kites. With all my helpers, it took about 1 hour to set up the 50 kites, and about twenty minutes to put them away. My helpers were the best people on earth! They have helped me many times before! Allen Noble Les Hanks Norm Zubas Norm's Friend Mary Don Walters and Cookie !!!!!!!!!! Anybody else out there have a train of Box Kites? Try it! But beware, Buffalo Box Kites are the Best! Soon to be as famous as Buffalo Chicken Wings! Fly High...But Fly! MIKE -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:58:47 -1000 From: andy chadwick Message-Id: <805496327snz@g4zvj.demon.co.uk> Subject: Box kites Hi Wonder if anyone can help me.. I'm not really a kite enthusiast but I would appreciate it if anyone can give me any hints/tips on building box kites suitable for flying a ham radio aerial (wire). The box kite will have to be big enough to support a wire ... I have experimented in the past using black plastic rubbish bags and wooden dowel. Alternatively, can anyone give me details of a kite dealer in the North Yorks area where I may be able to purchase a LARGE box kite? Thanks -- Andy = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 05:41:47 -1000 From: maxb@interserv.com Message-Id: <3ugknr$71e@data.interserv.net> Organization: InterServ News Service Subject: Box Kites Does anyone know where I can purchase a single string,inexpensive Box Kite. I used to buy and fly them when I was a kid but have not seen them in years. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:06:18 -1000 From: JBSV29A@prodigy.com (John Alholm) Message-Id: <3ujahq$22gu@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Subject: Re: Box Kites Hi ... You can purchase an inexpensive box kite at almost any kite shop. Check the yellow pages in your area and give them a ring. Or ... why not make one yourself? I'm sure your local library has severl books that would contain the plans and directions. Just remember the "one third" rule when building it. 1/3 (at the top) is sail, the 1/3 in the center is open, the 1/3 at the bottem is sail. The tow point is down 1/3 on the sail. Box kites are easy to make and great fun to fly. Good winds and better flying. John = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =