Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 04:48:42 -1000 From: tom@minster.york.ac.uk (Tom Jackson) Message-Id: <785429322.17542@minster.york.ac.uk> Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Subject: Banshee Pegasus??? I've just seen an advert for the Banshee Pegasus, which claims to come in 16' and 20' delta wing shapes!!! Is this thing for real????? I thought the 14' Force 10 delta was enough to put life in danger... tom. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:00:31 -1000 From: coreykite@aol.com (Coreykite) Message-Id: <3bg18v$kog@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? In article <785429322.17542@minster.york.ac.uk>, tom@minster.york.ac.uk (Tom Jackson) writes: >I heard about the 16' & 20' Banshee Pegasus. Are they for real? I humbly respond... You Bet! They are the power behind the famous KiteSki system. Over-water use dictates a design that may be relaunched from the water. Eliminates the dual-surface wings (large sea anchors). Just hunkering down against the pull demonstrates a lack of imagination. These kites are quite agile and capable of powering a skier up onto a plane while on water skis and propelling said skier very quickly. aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:08:13 -1000 From: Adrian Pierorazio Message-Id: Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? On 29 Nov 1994, Coreykite wrote: > In article <785429322.17542@minster.york.ac.uk>, tom@minster.york.ac.uk > (Tom Jackson) writes: > > >I heard about the 16' & 20' Banshee Pegasus. Are they for real? > I humbly respond... You Bet! > They are the power behind the famous KiteSki system. > Over-water use dictates a design that may be relaunched from the water. > Eliminates the dual-surface wings (large sea anchors). Just hunkering > down against the pull demonstrates a lack of imagination. > These kites are quite agile and capable of powering a skier up onto a > plane while on water skis and propelling said skier very quickly. > aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com I realize that I'm joining this late but, is this kite a delta, foil, flexi, 1, 2, 4, x line or what? I'm intrigued by this water-skiiing thing!!! Inquiring minds want to know! Adrian = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:00:23 -1000 From: coreykite@aol.com (Coreykite) Message-Id: <3bj3mn$ear@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? In article , Adrian Pierorazio writes: >More info on wing type re: Banshee Pegasus? I respond... They are single surface sails with a curved leading edge. Battens give shape and strength. They have a wide wind range and quick response especially for such a big wingspan. aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:13:08 -1000 From: jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <3bj0u4$8f4@geog20.umd.edu> Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? In article , Adrian Pierorazio wrote: >On 29 Nov 1994, Coreykite wrote: >> They are the power behind the famous KiteSki system. >> Over-water use dictates a design that may be relaunched from the water. >> Eliminates the dual-surface wings (large sea anchors). >I realize that I'm joining this late but, is this kite a delta, foil, >flexi, 1, 2, 4, x line or what? I'm intrigued by this water-skiiing thing!!! As Mr. Benson writes, the Banshee is a single surface kite (ie it's not a flexi or bag), as dual-surface kites act even more as sea anchors than relative flat kites. Banshee has been making kites for quite a number of years; they started with the Chikara and then the Scimitar, and I guess the Pegasus. In a general way, their kites are deltas. What makes their kites so interesting is that there's not really a nose; the leading edge is one long spar (actually composed of several pieces) which is fairly heavily curved at its center and less so as you travel along the leading edges. To hold the kite in its curved shape, there's a tensioning line running between the leading edges. To make things even weirder, as a result of the design of the leading edge, there are no spreaders! The sail has a true camber sewn into it (as opposed to using a camber-inducing leading edge) and uses battens as well to shape the airfoil. These kites look *very* cool. For water skiing, one uses the "KiteSki" reel, which allows you to launch the kite out of your hands and let the lines out evenly (thanks to a disc brake) and then fly the kite. If you crash the kite and can't relaunch it, you can wind in your lines and start over. Let's see Andrew do that with his Peel when he's out on his buggy boat... Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted | | | when one occurs to me. *If* one occurs | |jeffy@glue.umd.edu | to me. | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:45:30 -1000 From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: >For water skiing, one uses the "KiteSki" reel, which allows you to launch >the kite out of your hands and let the lines out evenly (thanks to a disc >brake) and then fly the kite. If you crash the kite and can't relaunch it, >you can wind in your lines and start over. Let's see Andrew do that with >his Peel when he's out on his buggy boat... *grin* The real point of the Banshee/kite-ski is that you realy can wet-launch. Just you, on your skis, on your own in the middle of the Ocean can get the wet kite back in the air and go skiing again. It really does work and is a *BIG* win. It is reported that Kite Skiing is *easier* than skiing behind a boat (although making progress upwind is kinda hard work. On the down side, It's noisy (not a problem in international waters, but a problem where I fly...) and I don't expect it's lower end will be anything like the windspeed that big bags will go down to. Also, competent fliers simply don't dump the kite in the water unless the wind is horribly turbulent or very slight, and with a wet kite, things simply get worse... A 10m Peel full of water weighs about 2 tonnes. No-one has all the answers :-( Andrew -- o /\ Kite Jumping |_\/ is for (_\ M O R O N S = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 19:52:50 -1000 From: johnsen@eskimo.com (Brian Johnsen) Message-Id: Organization: Cap'n Puget's Roadside Tako Stand Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? In article , Adrian Pierorazio wrote: >On 29 Nov 1994, Coreykite wrote: >> In article <785429322.17542@minster.york.ac.uk>, tom@minster.york.ac.uk >I realize that I'm joining this late but, is this kite a delta, foil, >flexi, 1, 2, 4, x line or what? I'm intrigued by this water-skiiing thing!!! They are shaped somewhat like a crescent moon, with a long spar in the outside edge. -- Brian Johnsen johnsen@eskimo.com Seattle, Washington, USA = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 04:20:06 -1000 From: windwiz@beach.silcom.com (Dan Rubesh) Message-Id: Organization: Silicon Beach Communications Subject: Re: Banshee Pegasus??? In article , Adrian Pierorazio wrote: > > >On 29 Nov 1994, Coreykite wrote: > >> In article <785429322.17542@minster.york.ac.uk>, tom@minster.york.ac.uk >> (Tom Jackson) writes: >> >> >I heard about the 16' & 20' Banshee Pegasus. Are they for real? >> I humbly respond... You Bet! >> They are the power behind the famous KiteSki system. >> Over-water use dictates a design that may be relaunched from the water. >> Eliminates the dual-surface wings (large sea anchors). Just hunkering >> down against the pull demonstrates a lack of imagination. >> These kites are quite agile and capable of powering a skier up onto a >> plane while on water skis and propelling said skier very quickly. >> aoxomoxoa coreykite@aol.com > > >I realize that I'm joining this late but, is this kite a delta, foil, >flexi, 1, 2, 4, x line or what? I'm intrigued by this water-skiiing thing!!! > > Inquiring minds want to know! > > Adrian The shape of the kite is loosely delta, with a _very_ curved, continuous leading edge, i.e. no pointy nose.. It's a 2-line kite that is designed and built by Skip Parks as I recall.. I got a flyer in the mail yesterday from KiteSki.. They've moved operations to Hood River, OR to be closer to the gorge and the big wind.. They can be reached for more info at KiteSki, 489 N. 8th St., Hood River, OR 97031, (503) 386-7099 voice, (503) 386-7141 fax, or 1-800-KITESKI [1-800-548-3754], and they have a demo video that will give you a good idea of what the KiteSki system is about.. The new flyer also mentions a new 22 ft. kite for some _serious_ power.. They are also having a year-end sale with all systems priced at 100ff thru 1/1/95.. If you call, tell Cory Roeseler you saw the info on rec.kites.. -- Tako Buggy Naked Kichi!! Dan Rubesh AKA Member/Merchant Wind Wizard, Purveyor of windwiz@silcom.com GO Stunt Kites & Accessories windwiz@rain.org FLY A P.O. Box 5747 (805) 659-5654 (voice) STUNT Ventura, CA 93005 (805) 659-5769 (fax) KITE! Member: Kite Trade Assn. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =