Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 03:59:27 -1000 From: jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <3c9nrv$5o2@geog20.umd.edu> Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: (Ban the Harness) was :Open letter - assistance requested In article <1x4wkmdX0v9T075yn@xs4all.nl>, Ronald van der Putten wrote: > >In article <3c7isl$2u9@geog20.umd.edu>, >jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) wrote: >> but from the many landings I've seen, the bag stuffs above >> you until you're on the ground, and you can collapse it immediately. When (hmmm...that should have said "from the many landings I've seen, the bag stays above you until you're on the ground, and then you can collapse it immediately". I was referring to a parachute...) >It do not understand this. Mabye you are revering to the following: No, that's not what I was referring to. >It's not the pull after landing I worry about, it's the kite which makes me >worry; When I land after a jump, my kite (peel) sometimes collapse above me. >It starts to spin down until it almost hit the ground. Then it unfold just >above the ground, which results in a maximum pull. from that moment... start >to pray.. very hard!!.. or just let go of the kite if you want to continue >living! Maybe you should rewrite this paragraph...right now, it boils down to "When I kite jump, it's not the pull after landing I worry about, but rather the pull after landing I worry about." A wee bit circular. Are you saying you only worry about the pull after landing in the instances when your peel collapses and then reinflates? This implies that when you don't have this particularl problem with your Peel, your landings are nice and gentle, and frankly I don't believe that. >So mister andrew (if you read this), hou about a battle agains harnesses? Geez, you've been out of touch for the last year or two. Andrew has been speaking out against harnesses, even the pseudo-quick-release windsurfing harnesses, for *ages*. He's also spoken out against using wrist straps because of the danger of carpal tunnel syndrome. Andrew does, however, find the Peter Lynn deadman release handles to be sufficiently instant to fly his huge kites (10m Peel, and for a while I think he had a 15m Peel on loan from PL). Though I've used the PL handles (and found them to be *extremely* comfortable! wow!), I've not had the opportunity to test the deadman release. Is there some reason I shouldn't believe Andrew when he says it works? Especially when his faith in his handles has him doing things like strapping his 10m Peel to his buggy with buggy hooks? Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted | | | when one occurs to me. *If* one occurs | |jeffy@glue.umd.edu | to me. | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 02:34:09 -1000 From: rvdp@xs4all.nl (Ronald van der Putten) Message-Id: <1x4wkmdX0v9T075yn@xs4all.nl> Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Subject: (Ban the Harness) was :Open letter - assistance requested In article <3c7isl$2u9@geog20.umd.edu>, jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) wrote: > In article <3c7g8m$2ei@t4.mscf.uky.edu>, > John f Gorman Jr wrote: > >Uh... > >How different from parachute landing is Kite Jump landing??? > >I don't kite Jump... > > I don't skydive, Same here, > but from the many landings I've seen, the bag stuffs above > you until you're on the ground, and you can collapse it immediately. When ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It do not understand this. Mabye you are revering to the following: It's not the pull after landing I worry about, it's the kite which makes me worry; When I land after a jump, my kite (peel) sometimes collapse above me. It starts to spin down until it almost hit the ground. Then it unfold just above the ground, which results in a maximum pull. from that moment... start to pray.. very hard!!.. or just let go of the kite if you want to continue living! I saw some people who attached themselves to the kite with a harness when this happened.. oh boy, not a very pretty sight. No savety release on a harness is quick enough to release the kite. Or worse, I know releases (I HAD one) which just don't open cource the pull of the kite. PS: do not start about PL's safety handles.. same thing !!!!! So mister andrew (if you read this), hou about a battle agains harnesses? Ronald (ban the harness) van der Putten If you are not strong enough to handle your kite, do NOT buy a harness --------------------- o /\ Harnesses are |_ \/ for (_\ M O R O N S --------------------- (c) A.Beattie :-) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:11:36 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: (Ban the Harness) was :Open letter - assistance requested rvdp@xs4all.nl (Ronald van der Putten) writes: >No savety release on a harness is >quick enough to release the kite. Or worse, I know releases (I HAD one) which >just don't open cource the pull of the kite. > >PS: do not start about PL's safety handles.. same thing !!!!! If I recall correctly, Peter's handles are designed to release under about 4kg of tension. If they are *too* loose, they become a pain to handle because the line falls out when you don't want it to. There are 3 problems that may cause the line not to be released which handle users should know about: 1) Not letting go. This is, by far the biggest problem. You need to *learn* to let go of the kite. You need to be mentaly prepared to loose or destroy the kite before flying it. You need to be able to let go of both handles without hesitation. In many situations, letting go of ONE handle takes *far* too long to think about. I see 3 different timing senarios when I let go: - Argh! I just let go (past tense) - let go of everything first, then think about why you did it... - Light post! here goes both lines - think about it for 1 second, decide that there is no choice and release both lines. - Too much power... Not enough field... Don't want to walk too far for the kite... I'll juet release the left one - 2 seconds to think about it, decide which hand and release. 2) Rubber handle sleeve slipped. If the rubber cement wears off (it's got a tough job trying to stick to stainless... then the sleeve is inclined to slip down and impede the release of the line. I check for this just about every time I fly. This could do with being fixed better. 3) Frame bent. Sometimes I bend wire frame such that the handle doesn't move forward freely (Either through a release where the handle is catapulted back under the buggy or from using the handle for some purpose for which it was not designed...). The problem can usualy be fixed by squeezing the ring corner and hinge corner towared each other, thus pushing the top corner further from the end of the handle. Andrew >So mister andrew (if you read this), hou about a battle agains harnesses? For any "Quick release" harness, I agree. The PL system, with proper use, maintenance and mental preparation is fine for me. > If you are not strong enough to handle your kite, do NOT buy a harness Agreed. The strap allows you to fly for longer. It doesn't let you fly anything more powerful than you can handle without. More education is required. Andrew -- Kite FAQ's: ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq) o /\ Kite Jumping For sale: 10' Flexis with std & UF Spars. |_ \/ is for andrew@tug.com AoXoMoXoA (_\ M O R O N S = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:13:18 -1000 From: rvdp@xs4all.nl (Ronald van der Putten) Message-Id: Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Subject: Re: (Ban the Harness) was :Open letter - assistance requested In article , andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) wrote: > > If I recall correctly, Peter's handles are designed to release under about 4kg > of tension. If they are *too* loose, they become a pain to handle because ^^^^^^^^^^ remember the collapsing peels ? > the line falls out when you don't want it to. > For any "Quick release" harness, I agree. The PL system, with proper use, > maintenance and mental preparation is fine for me. I'm sorry Andrew, after my little accident with my peel and a harness, (I am lucky to be alive) I disagree to any form of attaching yourself to a kite !.. To many times it happened that I had to let go of the peel in a moderate wind. Ronald = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =