Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 06:03:06 -1000 From: "Denis Audette 77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca" <77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Message-Id: Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: RE: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier - The difference between a Peel and a foil kite: Dave, the difference between a Peel and a foil kite is the same than between COGNAC an BRANDY: all the cognac are a brandy, but all the brandy are not a cognac. The Peel is a foil kite design by Peter Lynn from New-Zealand. The Peel is a very powerful 2-line kites, it's the reference for buggying and kite-sailing because Peter Lynn is the inventor of the buggy. Peter is also probably the best buggyier of the world, and for sure the most "crazy". The particularity of the Peel: - High aspect ratio foil kite - Its cross-bridle - Its unsusual profile The Peel look like the "peel of an orange", that's why Peter name it The PEEL. I like my Peel for buggying, but for kite-skiing I prefer a quad-line foil. The ground maneuvers, with a pair of skis on, are easier with a quad-line than with the Peel. -The axels, i'm confused... I understand your confusion, thereis not only one axel, but a whole family of axels. Pierre Marzin says: "Every pilot have his own axel, the most popular are: -"the flat axel": fly your kite down, stop the kite on its belly then turn. -"Wingtip axel": Stand the kite on its wingtip, axel, and return to the wingtip. -"Bass axel": Axel on the back of the kite from a turtle. -"Double or triple axel": Some pilots are able to do it". (Pierre Marzin, Voulex-vous succomber a l'axelmania?, Cerf-volant Passion, sept/oct 1994) In one of is contributions to the rec.kites (Weird axels), Ron Reich explaned how to do a "Flat spin" from a "Fly away". Have fun!!!!! Denis Audette Cerfs-Volants Albatros Magog, Quebec,Canada 77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:20:27 -1000 From: daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp) Message-Id: Organization: Beckemeyer Development, Oakland CA Subject: Re: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier In article , "Denis Audette 77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca" <77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca> wrote: The Peel is a foil kite design by Peter Lynn from New-Zealand. > The Peel is a very powerful 2-line kites, it's the reference for buggying > and kite-sailing because Peter Lynn is the inventor of the buggy. Peter > is also probably the best buggyier of the world, and for sure the most > "crazy". Peter Lynn did *not* invent the kite buggy. George Pocock may have. Ever vigilent, Dave (Let's get the record straight) Culp -- ===================================================================== | Dave Culp, Broker Assoc Office: 510.933.9300 | | Diablo Realty Voice Mail: 510.933.9305 x 308 | | 975 Ygnacio Valley Rd. E-Mail: daveculp@bdt.com | | Walnut Creek, CA 94596 WWW: http://www.bdt.com/home/daveculp/ | ===================================================================== = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:11:29 -1000 From: jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Message-Id: <4881oh$779@gis.umd.edu> Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Subject: Re: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier In article , Dave Culp wrote: >In article >, "Denis >Audette 77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca" <77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca> >wrote: > > The Peel is a foil kite design by Peter Lynn from New-Zealand. >> The Peel is a very powerful 2-line kites, it's the reference for buggying >> and kite-sailing because Peter Lynn is the inventor of the buggy. Peter >> is also probably the best buggyier of the world, and for sure the most >> "crazy". >Peter Lynn did *not* invent the kite buggy. George Pocock may have. >Ever vigilent, >Dave (Let's get the record straight) Culp Well, if you're going to be that way about it, ok... Peter Lynn invented the "kite buggy". George Pocock invented the "Char-Volant", which basically translates to wind-carriage. Both were intended for different purposes, sport/recreation versus a horseless means of drawing a carriage for transportation. The idea of drawing a vehicle with a kite almost certainly was used long before Pocock. ------ As for the Next Step piece which started this thread, I finally saw it yesterday and would have to say that it was fairly typical. Ted explained many of the features of his QuadTrac which make it a superior kite...things like high aspect ratio, icarex fabric, rounded edges. Oh, wait, didn't the Peel have all of those features before the QuadTrac? Never mind. The QuadTrac *does* have the variable camber system (vcs), which is reasonably cool, and definitely something new on power 'foils. The QuadTrac is a great kite...I happened to buy both my SkyTigers before I ever flew the QuadTrac, otherwise I might have bought one. This is simply what happens when a kitemaker is allowed to speak about their products without any tempering. And this is also a good example of why disclaimers are important on rec.kites. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | Pithy, insightful quote to be inserted when one | |jburka@glue.umd.edu | occurs to me. *If* one occurs to me. | |http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jeffy/html/home.html | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:08:18 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier Denis Audette <77766556@callisto.si.usherb.ca> writes: > The Peel is a foil kite design by Peter Lynn from New-Zealand. Correct. >The Peel is a very powerful 2-line kites, Correct >Peter Lynn is the inventor of the buggy. Bzzzt! Wrong. Peter himself credits this to George Pocock (sp?) of Bristol who used a kite-powered carriage of some description to go to London (maybe 100 miles in the direction of the prevailing wind). His incentive was to avoid the tax (tolls?) that had to be paid according to the number of horses pulling the carriage. >Peter is also probably the best buggyier of the world, and for sure the most >"crazy". He's certainly one of the best. But Philip McConnochie has probably got an edge on him round a circuit and I've not seen him do the advanced tricks like a reach, turn and reach back all on the same two wheels. He doesn't come close to the title "most crazy". While he's certainly game for a lot of stuff, he is actually fairly conservative and keen to preserve his frail old body for as long as possible. It is difficult, for example to persuade him to ride in the back of *my* tandem... > The Peel look like the "peel of an orange", that's why Peter name >it The PEEL. Although you may have heard this from Peter himself, I think that this is only a *secondary* reason for the choice of name. Peter is a proudly patrotic New Zealander. Every day when he goes sailing on Lake clearwater (which has seen more strange watercraft than most of us will see in a lifetime), he drives past the "Peel Mountains". I think that this is the original source of the name, but he can't be bothered to explain it repeatedly... Andrew -- New to rec.kites? START HERE! | To: www@kfs.org send an email message like this-> | Subject: service /-\ () >< () |\/| () >< () /-\ | http://www.kfs.org/kites/welcome Next time you visit KFS, download the bookmark file. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 06:41:14 -1000 From: dlw@odi.com (Dan Weinreb) Message-Id: Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA Subject: Re: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier In article andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) writes: > The Peel look like the "peel of an orange", that's why Peter name >it The PEEL. Although you may have heard this from Peter himself, I think that this is only a *secondary* reason for the choice of name. Peter is a proudly patrotic New Zealander. Every day when he goes sailing on Lake clearwater (which has seen more strange watercraft than most of us will see in a lifetime), he drives past the "Peel Mountains". I think that this is the original source of the name, but he can't be bothered to explain it repeatedly... Gee, and I had somehow assumed that the name "Peel" must be derived >From Peter Lynn's initials. It seemed so obvious. Apparently not. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:12:31 -1000 From: daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp) Message-Id: Organization: Beckemeyer Development, Oakland CA Subject: Re: A couple of basic questions - Dave Neumeier In article <4881oh$779@gis.umd.edu>, jburka@Glue.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) wrote: > > Well, if you're going to be that way about it, ok... > > Peter Lynn invented the "kite buggy". > > George Pocock invented the "Char-Volant", which basically translates to > wind-carriage. > > Both were intended for different purposes, sport/recreation versus a > horseless means of drawing a carriage for transportation. > > The idea of drawing a vehicle with a kite almost certainly was used long > before Pocock. > Please see my reply in the thread, "What is a buggy." Then please tell me what is a "kite-buggy," and just why one should single out Lynn's commercial efforts as original? Your fifth paragraph above pretty effectively disproves your second; if "kite-vehicles" were around "long before Pocock," then Peter Lynn couldn't very well have "invented" them, could he? Dave Culp Speedsailing = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =