Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:25:17 -1000 From: gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Subject: 5lb challenge! Hayden1009 & Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz write > about the 5lb weight limit How about some fun.... A rec.kites COMPETITION to be held at Fano 1995: I'll put up a prize of 5lb's of chocolate (I assume that this is an internationally acceptable currency!) to the person who can block out the most sky within the 5lb weight limit. The only rules are: - The thing must fly on the Saturday. - The weight limit includes *everything* flying (inc flying line!) - Anything goes! Andrew -- You can permanently disable the disclosure of your phone number by asking 150. You can enable the disclosure for one call by prefixing with 1470. You can subscribe to the BT price list by requesting it on 0171 356 7231 British Telecom: The *Corporate* Personification Of Evil = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:22:00 -1000 From: tony.fitchett@welcom.gen.nz (Tony Fitchett) Message-Id: <9411302353169291@welcom.gen.nz> Organization: WELCOM BBS +644-385-6550 Subject: 5lb challenge! AB> about the 5lb weight limit AB> How about some fun.... > Fano 1995:... 5lb's of chocolate to the person who can block out > the most sky within the 5lb weight limit. Splendid scheme ! Lets get some fun back into this echo after all the serious messages ( not mine of course!) in recent weeks. We just might persuade someone to pick up this idea for Napier (NZ) March 95. I take it you ban cheating with hydrogen and helium .... * SPEED 1.30 [NR] * = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:08:55 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! tony.fitchett@welcom.gen.nz (Tony Fitchett) writes: > > Fano 1995:... 5lb's of chocolate to the person who can block out > > the most sky within the 5lb weight limit. >I take it you ban cheating with hydrogen and helium .... If anyone is willing to buy enough hydrogen to out-shadow 5lb of black bin-bags, they deserve the chocolate, but I suppose I'd better rule that it's 5lb mass, not 5lb weight. Andrew -- Kite FAQ's: ftp.hawaii.edu:/pub/rec/kites/faq) o /\ Kite Jumping For sale: 10' Flexis with std & UF Spars. |_ \/ is for andrew@tug.com AoXoMoXoA (_\ M O R O N S = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:13:10 -1000 From: crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell) Message-Id: Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! How about a revision of the rules and change the weight catagory to mass. (this would penalize high pressure lifting systems) You can tether the 'goodyear' blimp out to a flying field and it doesn't weigh anything. ___________________________________________________ email: crowell@teleport.com FTP: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell WWW: http://www.teleport.com/~crowell Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:06:47 -1000 From: brian@nds.com (Brian Dockter) Message-Id: <94Dec2.160700pst.174733@rainier.nds.com> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! On Dec 2, 1:13am, Carl Crowell wrote: > Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! > How about a revision of the rules and change the weight catagory to mass. > (this would penalize high pressure lifting systems) > > You can tether the 'goodyear' blimp out to a flying field and it doesn't weigh > anything. The blimp might not, but I bet you the line would weigh more than 5 lbs. Brian -- Brian Dockter | Northwest Digital Systems Sr. Software Engineer | Voice: 206-524-0014 Email: brian@nds.com | FAX: 206-524-3440 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:05:07 -1000 From: andrewh@holly.harvard.edu (Andrew Hawken) Message-Id: <3bocnj$j7n@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! Andrew Beattie (andrew@tug.com) wrote: : If anyone is willing to buy enough hydrogen to out-shadow 5lb of black : bin-bags, they deserve the chocolate, but I suppose I'd better rule that : it's 5lb mass, not 5lb weight. I am sure that one of those units should have been Newtons but its too late to remember which! :-( Andy -- ____________________________Andrew Hawken______________________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, it is certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" R Dawkins. Home : 0895 420110 QMW : 071 975 5542 AIIT : 0494 677045 Email : A.Hawken@QMW.AC.UK = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 01:06:13 -1000 From: travell@comics.enet.dec.com (I want to Go Fly a Kite!) Message-Id: <9412031106.AA02840@vbormc.vbo.dec.com> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! >I am sure that one of those units should have been Newtons but its too late >to remember which! :-( No, Newtons, while being the correct unit to measure mass, is not the unit specified in the CAA (or FAA) regulations. You *could* argue that since the challenge is defined to be contested at FANO, the the mass value used for both the kite and the prize should be what is specified in the relevant regulations for that country. John Travell. Solent Kite Flyers is a NEW Kite club based around Southampton, UK, Contact me by Email "travell@kernel.enet.dec.com" for further info. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 10:45:11 -1000 From: silntobsvr@aol.com (SilntObsvr) Message-Id: <3bqlcn$4tn@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! In article <3bocnj$j7n@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, andrewh@holly (Andrew Hawken) writes: >Andrew Beattie (andrew@tug.com) wrote: >: If anyone is willing to buy enough hydrogen to out-shadow 5lb of black >: bin-bags, they deserve the chocolate, but I suppose I'd better rule that >: it's 5lb mass, not 5lb weight. > >I am sure that one of those units should have been Newtons but its too late >to remember which! :-( > >Andy Actually, the lb-mass is a legit unit (in English system engineering and physics, anyway). It's the mass that will accelerate at one standard G (32.2 ft/s^2) under the influence of 1 lb force, in an inertial frame. This is as contrasted to the slug, the mass that will accelerate at 1 ft/s^2 under the influence of 1 lb force, in an inertial frame. For many engineering calculations, it's easier to work in lbs-mass and G's than in slugs and ft/s, though one has to be sure to apply the appropriate correction factor for things like kinetic energy... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | SilntObsvr@aol.com | This .sig brought to you by the Geoworks | | Owner/Operator of | Ensemble 2.01 Text File Editor, substituting | | TableTop Publications | for features left out of the AOL newsreader. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | All opinions expressed are my own, and should in no way be mistaken | | for those of the reader. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:57:37 -1000 From: era_pul@ki.ericsson.se (Peter Ulfheden ) Message-Id: <1994Dec5.095737.26436@ericsson.se> Organization: Ericsson Radio Systems AB, Sweden Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! I want to Go Fly a Kite! (travell@comics.enet.dec.com) wrote: : No, : Newtons, while being the correct unit to measure mass, is not the unit : specified in the CAA (or FAA) regulations. No, Newton is *NOT* a unit to measure mass. Newton [N] is the unit for force. Grams (or kilo grams [kg])is the unit for wheight. One kg of mass will have a gravitional force of approx. 10 Newton. (9.81 N to be more exact. Depends on where you live) Peter -- []-------------------------------------------------[] | Peter Ulfheden | era_pul@ki.ericsson.se | | Amorinav. 3 | or petulf@saaf.se | | S-191 44 Sollentuna | Phone: +46 8 751 02 15 | | SWEDEN | Fax: +46 8 35 04 29 | []-------------------------------------------------[] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 07:10:14 -1000 From: silntobsvr@aol.com (SilntObsvr) Message-Id: <3bvhhm$3kl@newsbf01.news.aol.com> Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! In article <9412031106.AA02840@vbormc.vbo.dec.com>, travell@comics.enet.dec.com (I want to Go Fly a Kite!) writes: >Newtons, while being the correct unit to measure mass, is not the unit >specified in the CAA (or FAA) regulations. Newtons are a unit of FORCE. A >force< of 1 Newton will accelerate a >mass< of 1 kilogram at 1 m/s^2, in an inertial frame. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | SilntObsvr@aol.com | This .sig brought to you by the Geoworks | | Owner/Operator of | Ensemble 2.01 Text File Editor, substituting | | TableTop Publications | for features left out of the AOL newsreader. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | All opinions expressed are my own, and should in no way be mistaken | | for those of the reader. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 22:40:27 -1000 From: crowell@teleport.com (Carl Crowell) Message-Id: Organization: Kites By Carl Crowell Subject: Re: 5lb challenge! era_pul@ki.ericsson.se (Peter Ulfheden ) writes: >I want to Go Fly a Kite! (travell@comics.enet.dec.com) wrote: >: No, >: Newtons, while being the correct unit to measure mass, is not the unit >: specified in the CAA (or FAA) regulations. >No, Newton is *NOT* a unit to measure mass. >Newton [N] is the unit for force. >Grams (or kilo grams [kg])is the unit for wheight. >One kg of mass will have a gravitional force of approx. 10 Newton. >(9.81 N to be more exact. Depends on where you live) I like newtons, fig ones, and the tougher gingrich ones arn't too bad either as long as they come through with that cap. gains reduction in 95. ___________________________________________________ email: crowell@teleport.com FTP: ftp.teleport.com/pub/users/crowell WWW: http://www.teleport.com/~crowell Kites By Carl Crowell - O.S.F.M. World Headquarters = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =