Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:55:18 -1000 From: spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Message-Id: <1994Jun8.205518.65522@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Subject: 500# spectra needs sleeving? Greetings to all.... (For those of you who think they remember me, yeah- I dissappeared from the net for about a year-thought I had lost my account, but hey, still got it- Thanks to those who took care of the FAQ when I vanished) Now, here is my question, I heard that it is not necessary to sleeve 500# spectra line- is this true? (I'll be using this line for some power flying). Thanks, and boy am I glad to be back in this group!!! Paul spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 22:54:54 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <2t6lcu$fpn@pobox.csc.fi> Organization: Centre for Scintific Computing Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? In <1994Jun8.205518.65522@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >Now, here is my question, >I heard that it is not necessary to sleeve 500# spectra line- is this true? >(I'll be using this line for some power flying). If you make a knot to unsleeved spectra you loose 500f the strength. With sleeving and well done knot you _may_ loose only 15-20 Is 250 lb enough for you? Unsleeved knot can act as a fuse... >Thanks, and boy am I glad to be back in this group!!! Wellcome back! Simo (who hosted the FAQ while you were away, now it's in Andrew's hands) -- Simo.Salanne@csc.fi STACK Finland = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 07:34:00 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: Organization: Harvard University OIT/NSD Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? In article <1994Jun8.205518.65522@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >I heard that it is not necessary to sleeve 500# spectra line- is this true? >(I'll be using this line for some power flying). There is an alternative to sleeving with the heavier braided lines. If the line is hollow core, you can splice a loop onto the end. Then use a small thimble (either plastic or metal) to protect the loop. You can attach swivel or a short piece of heavier line through the thimble. In order to splice the loop you will need a splicing needle. A long time ago, the Rainbow Stunt Kite Co. used to sell the needle with instructions on how to splice a loop. Maybe they still do. Fishing tackle shops often sell the splicing needles too. -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:28:04 -1000 From: mgraves@leadingedg.win.net (Michael Graves) Message-Id: <527@leadingedg.win.net> Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? In article <1994Jun8.205518.65522@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) writes: >Greetings to all.... > >(For those of you who think they remember me, yeah- I dissappeared from the >net for about a year-thought I had lost my account, but hey, still got it- >Thanks to those who took care of the FAQ when I vanished) > >Now, here is my question, > >I heard that it is not necessary to sleeve 500# spectra line- is this true? >(I'll be using this line for some power flying). I no-knot my power flying lines. It's easy to do in such large line, and gets the maximum out of the line. Michael Graves = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:01:12 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? spaceman@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >I heard that it is not necessary to sleeve 500# spectra line- is this true? >(I'll be using this line for some power flying). My $0.02: You don't need 500lb Spectra. I usually fly bigger stuff in more wind than anyone else around and I'm OK with 275lb Spectra. Sleeving produces a significantly stronger knot. If you don't break the unsleeved line, then the line you are using is FAR too heavy. You would get much better performance from lighter line. nb: The line weight and diameter has a significant impact on the performance of Peels and Flexifoils - fat lines slow down Flexies, killing the power heavy lines destroy the delecacy of control in a Peel. You owe the Kite Oracle a boat anchor. Andrew -- Please note: I have been suffering from mail/news delay. Netiquette-of-the-day: Take care to attribute quotes correctly. You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 19:09:19 -1000 From: lynnrg@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (R.G. Lynn) Message-Id: <2tje1v$hjf@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? The technique I know my father uses now to save time in fixing line breaks in Spectra is to sew the ends together. I'm not sure if this would work with really light grades (as this is mostly for traction work) and you need access to a sewing machine but it is easy. Robert Lynn = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:19:59 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? lynnrg@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (R.G. Lynn) writes: Mr Lynn of New Zealand Eh? You wouldn't be a relative of *the* Mr Lynn of New Zealand, would you? >The technique I know my father uses now to save time in fixing line breaks >in Spectra is to sew the ends together. I'm not sure if this would work >with really light grades (as this is mostly for traction work) and you >need access to a sewing machine but it is easy. I seem to recall Peter joining Spectra with the same knot that is used to join the bridle to the skin. Andrew -- Please note: I have been suffering from mail/news delay. Netiquette-of-the-day: Take care to attribute quotes correctly. You can FTP the kite FAQ's from ftp.hawaii.edu (directory /pub/rec/kites/faq) The FAQ's have lists of kites, kite stores, kite questions, kite books & plans. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 23:08:27 -1000 From: Thom Shanken Message-Id: Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Subject: Re: 500# spectra needs sleeving? Marty Sasaki writes: >In order to splice the loop you will need a splicing needle. A long >time ago, the Rainbow Stunt Kite Co. used to sell the needle with >instructions on how to splice a loop. Maybe they still do. Fishing >tackle shops often sell the splicing needles too. Ah, yes....the Rainbow Stunt Kite Co., thank you for reviving fond memories, Marty. After years (literally) of searching for that same excellent sleeving tool I found that High Fly Kite Co., Haddonfield, NJ, carried it as part of the: Top Shelf Knot-less System. Fran was kind enough to send me ten of them. Good Luck Sleeving! Thom :) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =