IEEE P1003.2 subject: IEEE P1003.2 Meeting date: November 12, 1991 Minutes for October 21-25, 1991 from: Dave Grindeland P1003.2 Secretary (303) 229-2843 ddg@hpfcla.hp.com Meeting_Minutes 1. Introduction The IEEE P1003.2 working group meeting was held in Parsippany, New Jersey on October 21-25, 1991. The working group met on its own Monday and Friday, while Tuesday through Thursday were spent in a joint meeting with P1003.3.2, writing assertions for P1003.2. Discussion on Monday centered around administrative issues, the revised P1003.2b PAR, the updated P1003.2 and P1003.2a Test Methods Development Plans, the status of P1003.2 and P1003.2a balloting and on the initial draft of P1003.2b. Friday's discussion was a continuation on Draft 1 of P1003.2b and some final administrivia. 1.1 Approval of Agenda The agenda for the Parsippany meeting was modified to include a chair reconfirmation vote and a review of the updated P1003.2 PAR. 1.2 Approval of Minutes The minutes for the last meeting, held in Santa Clara, were approved as distributed. 1.3 Chair Reconfirmation The P1003.2 working group was asked to vote, in a secret ballot held by Jim Isaak, to either confirm the current Chair, Hal Jespersen, or to ask that the position be opened up to nominations. The majority of the working group voted to confirm Hal Jespersen as Chair of P1003.2. P1003.2-N136 Page 2 of 7 1.4 General Announcements Don Cragun gave a brief update on the PMC meeting held on Sunday, October 20. All PARs were either approved or sponsored. The IEEE Computer Society has begun experimenting with online access of drafts, meeting minutes and agendas (see document #P1003.2-N133). The P1003.2 group is participating in this experiment and the latest versions of those documents are now available in electronic form, largely through the efforts of Andrew Hume of AT&T Bell Laboratories. In the short time they've been available, nearly 2300 accesses have already occured, one-third of which were electronic mail requests. Less than one percent of all accesses were for the entire draft of P1003.2. The IEEE Computer Society Standards Activity Board will be meeting to determine the future of online access. The SEC meeting was held on Thursday evening, October 24th. The IEEE may provide a subsidy for the European meeting to take place in October of 1992. The P1003.2b PAR was approved. P1201 will continue, but on an accelerated schedule. There will be a CD ROM group working closely with POSIX, even though they won't be a recognized POSIX group. 1.5 Review of Action Items + Mark Brown completed his action item of revamping the Data Interchange Format proposal, based on inputs from the Santa Clara meeting, by sending that revised proposal to Hal Jespersen before August 8th. 2. P1003.2b PAR Approval The newly revised PAR for P1003.2b (see document #P1003.2- N130) was distributed by Hal Jespersen to the working group. After reviewing its content, the P1003.2 working group approved the PAR as written to be sent to the SEC. 3. Test Plan Status The Test Methods Development Plans for P1003.2 and P1003.2a (see documents #P1003.2-N131 and #P1003.2-N132) have been updated to replace the previously combined plan P1003.2- N117, dated November 12, 1990. P1003.2-N136 Page 3 of 7 4. Status of P1003.2 Draft 11.2 and P1003.2a D7 Hal Jespersen presented a balloting status overview on both P1003.2 Draft 11.2 and P1003.2a Draft 7 (see document #P1003.2-N134). Balloting on P1003.2 Draft 11.2 was scheduled to close October 21, 1991. P1003.2 Draft 11.2 is also registered as ISO/IEC CD 9945-2.2. The international balloting still continues, the resolution of which will be done in the May 1992 WG15 meeting. Hal Jespersen will create a Draft 11.3 for recirculation to the IEEE balloting group only if significant ISO problems are encountered. Draft 12 will likely come out in June 1992, and the standard finally approved at the next succeeding IEEE Board meeting. Draft 8 of P1003.2a should be out in the next few weeks following the Parsippany meeting. The biggest change in Draft 8 is the removal of the shell's emacs command-line editing mode. The working group also determined that the description of the time utility should be watered down enough to allow existing current implementations. P1003.2a Draft 8 will also be submitted as a PDAM which will be ISO balloted. 5. P1003.2b Draft 1 Content The content of P1003.2b will be based largely on P1003.1a. Symbolic links will almost certainly be in. Hal is looking for a symbolic links proposal for the working group to start with. Dawn Burnett offered to bring a proposal on symbolic links to the Irvine meeting. One conclusion the working group did reach was that if an attempt to perform a symbolic link (by issuing ln -s) is done on a system which does not support symbolic links, the command should fail. The issue of whether symbolic links would be mandatory was raised during the Parsippany meeting. Future meetings will decide the issue and inputs will be solicited during those meetings. Karen Scheaffer, Chair of P1003.15, expressed her expectation to Hal Jespersen that a checkpointing command, needed for P1003.15, be added in P1003.2b. The P1003.15 working group will submit that proposal to P1003.2 sometime in the future. P1003.2-N136 Page 4 of 7 6. New Action Item Assignments + Dawn Burnett will try to submit a symbolic links proposal, based on the SVID Issue 3, to the November mailing. If the November mailing cannot be made, Dawn will bring that proposal to the Irvine meeting. + Hal Jespersen will find the TAG mailing with questions about ISO/IEC 10646 and distribute it to the working group for its review and comment. 7. Next Meeting Schedule and Information The next P1003.2 meeting will be held in Irvine, California, January 13-17, 1992 at the Marriot Hotel. The working group will meet jointly with P1003.3.2 on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday of that week. The joint meeting will focus on writing assertions for P1003.2 and P1003.2a. On Monday and Friday, the P1003.2 working group will meet separately to continue work on P1003.2b. The working group will be reviewing submitted symbolic links proposals and the data interchange archive proposal currently found in the draft standard. 8. Future Meeting Schedule January 13-17, 1992 Irvine, CA April 6-10, 1992 Dallas, TX July 13-17, 1992 Chicago, IL October 19-23, 1992 Europe? January 11-15, 1993 New Orleans? April 19-23, 1993 Boston? P1003.2 Secretary--DDG-dg Dave Grindeland P1003.2-N136 Page 5 of 7 9. Attachment 1: P1003.2 Document List ___________________________________________________________________________________ NUMBER SUBMITTED BY TITLE ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N094 Helene Armitage July 1989 San Jose Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N095 Don Cragun October 1989 Brussels Meeting Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N100 Hal Jespersen P1003.2 Draft 9 status ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N101 Scott Sutter October 1989 Brussels Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N102 Jim Isaak Proposal to include "EMIN" in .2a. ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N103 Don Cragun January 1990 New Orleans Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N104 Mark Doran X/Open Comments on P1003.2a ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N105 Jim Young sdiff Proposal for P1003.2a ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N106 Helene Armitage January 1990 New Orleans Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N107 Don Cragun April 1990 Salt Lake Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N108 Helene Armitage April 1990 Salt Lake Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N109 Don Cragun July 1990 Danvers Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N110 Helene Armitage July 1990 Danvers Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N111 Don Cragun October 1990 Seattle Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N112 Hal Jespersen Proposed Draft PAR for P1003.2b ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N113 Edna Edelman October 1990 Seattle Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N114 Hal Jespersen Proposed Draft Test Plan ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N115 Hal Jespersen Balloting Global Issues ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N116 Don Cragun January 1991 New Orleans Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N117 Hal Jespersen Proposed Draft Test Plan [revised] ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N118 Hal Jespersen P1003.2b Draft PAR ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N119 Hal Jespersen P1003.2 Current Balloting Status ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N120 Dave Grindeland January 1991 New Orleans Meeting Minutes ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N121 Don Cragun April 1991 Chicago Agenda ___________________________________________________________________________________ P1003.2-N136 Page 6 of 7 | P1003.2-N122| Hal Jespersen | Proposal for archive interchange | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N123| Dave Grindeland| April 1991 Chicago Meeting Minutes | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N124| Don Cragun | July 1991 Santa Clara Agenda | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N125| Hal Jespersen | P1003.2/.2a 3Q91 Balloting Status | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N126| Dave Grindeland| July 1991 Santa Clara Meeting Minutes | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N127| Don Cragun | October 1991 Parsippany Agenda | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N128| Hal Jespersen | Revised P1003.2b PAR | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N129| Donn Terry | Comments on P1003.2b Draft 1 | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N130| Hal Jespersen | P1003.2b Draft PAR [Oct 91] | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N131| Hal Jespersen | P1003.2 Test Plan [Aug 91] | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N132| Hal Jespersen | P1003.2a Test Plan [Aug 91] | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N133| Hal Jespersen | Announcement of on-line P1003.2 [Oct 91] | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N134| Hal Jespersen | Balloting Summary for P1003.2, P1003.2a [Oct 91]| |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N135| Don Cragun | Comments on P1003.2b Draft 1 | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N136| Dave Grindeland| October 1991 Parsippany Meeting Minutes | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________| | P1003.2-N137| Don Cragun | January 1992 Irvine Agenda | |_____________|_________________|__________________________________________________|